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McRanger said:
Stepan took a cap dump right on the Rangers tonight.

Get it? Cap dump.
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The problem with the Stepan trade was that everyone (including me) was expecting a bigger return. Now with 20/20 hindsight, I recognize Stepan wasn't perceived around the league as the player I thought he was and the return, which I perceived as underwhelming was fair value. #7 in a so-so draft. An enigma defenseman. This wasn't a blockbuster.

We lectured each other from time to time about overvaluing our own players. This is a classic example.
 
bobbop said:
The problem with the Stepan trade was that everyone (including me) was expecting a bigger return. Now with 20/20 hindsight, I recognize Stepan wasn't perceived around the league as the player I thought he was and the return, which I perceived as underwhelming was fair value. #7 in a so-so draft. An enigma defenseman. This wasn't a blockbuster.

We lectured each other from time to time about overvaluing our own players. This is a classic example.
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You left out Arizona fully absorbing Stepan’s contract. Just to take on $2-3 million alone is worth a 2nd round pick. Taking on that kind of money is the equivalent of getting an additional 1st round pick. If the Rangers had retained money, another asset would have been coming back.
 
Hard to revisit now . Andersson is a kid and hasn’t got minutes yet . He will when Hayes goes so give him till end of bext year

DeAngelo I still don’t trust but may aswell play him till other kids develop then see where he’s at

Stepan is a good player but the contracts high and we wouldn’t want that right now

Raanta solid but hurt a lot . More of a 1a/b starter not a main top guy IMO. See Talbot
 
jas said:
You left out Arizona fully absorbing Stepan’s contract. Just to take on $2-3 million alone is worth a 2nd round pick. Taking on that kind of money is the equivalent of getting an additional 1st round pick. If the Rangers had retained money, another asset would have been coming back.
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Arizona can't sign free agents unless they wildly overpay. Taking the cap hit wasn't a concern for them at all. They treated it as if they signed a free agent. They gave Goligoski a ridiculous contract for a 4-5 defenseman. Stepan won't finish that contract in Arizona.
 
A lot of those things can change still.

Raanta eventually will get healthy and help the Coyotes.

Lias still has plenty of time, obviously support from most, but still, i personally think he is up against it, and would be pleasantly surprised by his success.

Tony D. Thrilled to have acquired him, happy to see him get better and more under control, but still there has to be more from him or eventually......

Stepan, unfortunately is the only one that will stay where he is and decline slowly but surely. Still a steadying force for a young team and great teammate.

Cannot be judged to its full extent now, and that is why the thread title is "revisited", and surely to be revisited again, but still not a dumb thread.
 
Larrybiv said:
No it isnt. You dont like it, pass it by. Simple, thanks for sharing your excellent opinion. It is not worse than your donation to it.
And now, i am sucked in. Jeez.
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The reason why I suggested this thread is dumb is because it’s a few years premature.

Don’t like my post? Skip it.
 
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In my opinion we didn't LOSE the trade but we lost the opportunity to draft an impact player with that pick. Lias will never be that player. Observing his play makes it evident. I don't put stats at lower levels over pro level ability and he doesn't have much. I don't even think he has half the ability of Derek Stepan.
 
It's a weird trade. It was at the time and it still is.

This was a trade about cap space, that was used to acquire Shattenkirk, who has been a bust thus far. I didn't, and still don't like DeAngelo being the roster piece, especially if the Rangers knew they were getting Shattenkirk. Interesting we heard Strome's name connected here and he hasn't done anything either, and was moved earlier this year himself.

In a vacuum, getting the 7th pick was a really great get here, but the problem was this was a six player draft, and that was exactly how the board shook out. The Rangers tried to move up, but couldn't. Its a little unfair to hold that against Lias, but that's sports.

I still think the Rangers do that deal again if there was a time machine, and I think that they should. It was the right move, but it hasn't panned out yet.

I suggested trying to move Stepan to Vegas for the 6th pick, and agreement not to take any Rangers in the expansion draft. That would have been a better deal obviously, but it has the same basic principles as the deal that was made. If the Rangers had moved Stepan and gotten Glass while keeping Raanta and Lindberg, the team would have been better but if the teams that picked 1-6 in the draft didn't want Stepan, then this was probably he best the Rangers could have done in regards of a return.

So yeah this trade is still under review until we have a better idea of what Lias is; which is really unfortunate for the kid. If for example, Vilardi's stock doesn't nose dive and he stays in the Top 5, and Pettersson or Glass falls to the Rangers at 7, (or the Rangers find a way to move up), the perception of this trade is very different.
 
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bobbop said:
The problem with the Stepan trade was that everyone (including me) was expecting a bigger return. Now with 20/20 hindsight, I recognize Stepan wasn't perceived around the league as the player I thought he was and the return, which I perceived as underwhelming was fair value. #7 in a so-so draft. An enigma defenseman. This wasn't a blockbuster.

We lectured each other from time to time about overvaluing our own players. This is a classic example.
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It’s a classic example of buying an asset and selling an asset based on “market” value — rather than their values to you. I don’t think either team “won” that trade.

Arizona are still not a playoff team and could have benefited from a top-ten pick (even during a mediocre draft) — but they did inherit an expensive player — while NY probably didn’t make the best selection with that pick.

All this to say: Arizona overestimated its competitiveness. We took on two risky assets and attempted a low-return investment with one of them. Suboptimal judgment by both sides.
 
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