Proposal: Arizona - Ottawa

[Gavin Ray]

To Arizona: Erik Brannstrom + Colin White + 2nd round pick

To Ottawa: Nick Schmaltz

Aside from Soderstrom, Arizona seems to not have any bluechip defensive prospects. Schmaltz is replaced by White. Ottawa needs a top 6 forward. Seems like a good fit?

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[HSF]

too much from ottawa

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

To Arizona: Erik Brannstrom + Colin White + 2nd round pick

To Ottawa: Nick Schmaltz

Aside from Soderstrom, Arizona seems to not have any bluechip defensive prospects. Schmaltz is replaced by White. Ottawa needs a top 6 forward. Seems like a good fit?

I don't think the upgrade from White to Schmaltz is worth Brannstrom and a 2nd. Take Brannstrom out of it and the trade might make more sense.

While the contract devalues White, when healthy he is a pretty solid 3rd line center.

 

[Gavin Ray]

too much from ottawa

I don't think the upgrade from White to Schmaltz is worth Brannstrom and a 2nd. Take Brannstrom out of it and the trade might make more sense.

While the contract devalues White, when healthy he is a pretty solid 3rd line center.

I think Brannstrom needs to be included for Arizona to have incentive otherwise they're just downgrading Schmaltz to White for a pick.

Maybe Brann + White for Schmaltz without the pick involved?

 

[Boondock]

To Arizona: Erik Brannstrom + Colin White + 2nd round pick

To Ottawa: Nick Schmaltz

Aside from Soderstrom, Arizona seems to not have any bluechip defensive prospects. Schmaltz is replaced by White. Ottawa needs a top 6 forward. Seems like a good fit?

So neither Colin White or Schmaltz have lived up to their early potential, but White is signed for 4 seasons including this one and is owed $20.5 million for the duration of the contract. Schmaltz has 5 seasons under contract and $35.4 million owing to him. Both players have produced similar offensive stats over the past few seasons so I don't see the value in adding the more expensive, signed for longer, and equally disappointing player in Schmaltz. When you also add Brannstrom and a 2nd, it becomes far worse for the Sens. I wouldn't trade Schmaltz for White 1 for 1 if I was the Sens.

 

[Boondock]

I think Brannstrom needs to be included for Arizona to have incentive otherwise they're just downgrading Schmaltz to White for a pick.

Maybe Brann + White for Schmaltz without the pick involved?

With Schmaltz's contract and production he is not worth White and Brannstrom.

 

[Clamshells]

I think Brannstrom needs to be included for Arizona to have incentive otherwise they're just downgrading Schmaltz to White for a pick.

Maybe Brann + White for Schmaltz without the pick involved?

Hasn't Arizona (or just the fans) been trying to dump Schmaltz? They might move him for White just for a change of scenery trade. He makes a LOT of money for 35 pts, and doesn't seem to be relied on defensively (don't quote me on that, im just basing it on his SH TOI)

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Hasn't Arizona (or just the fans) been trying to dump Schmaltz? They might move him for White just for a change of scenery trade. He makes a LOT of money for 35 pts, and doesn't seem to be relied on defensively (don't quote me on that, im just basing it on his SH TOI)

ALmost 6 million for the next 5 seasons . . . yikes.

No chance I'd consider moving Brann for that.

A change of scenery trade with White makes sense though. Maybe the Sens add a 3rd or something.

 

[Perennial]

So neither Colin White or Schmaltz have lived up to their early potential, but White is signed for 4 seasons including this one and is owed $20.5 million for the duration of the contract. Schmaltz has 5 seasons under contract and $35.4 million owing to him. Both players have produced similar offensive stats over the past few seasons so I don't see the value in adding the more expensive, signed for longer, and equally disappointing player in Schmaltz. When you also add Brannstrom and a 2nd, it becomes far worse for the Sens. I wouldn't trade Schmaltz for White 1 for 1 if I was the Sens.

White has scored at 38 point pace per 82 games over his last 109 games

Schmaltz has scored at a 52 point pace per 82 games over his last 122 games


Between the two of them, I think Schmaltz is more likely to produce closer to his cap hit for the remainder of his contract

 

[Boondock]

White has scored at 38 point pace per 82 games over his last 109 games

Schmaltz has scored at a 52 point pace per 82 games over his last 122 games


Between the two of them, I think Schmaltz is more likely to produce closer to his cap hit for the remainder of his contract

Since neither is worth their cap hit, I would prefer the player that is paid less, for a shorter period of time, is owed far less in actual dollars ($15million actual dollars difference), and doesn't have any trade protection (Schmaltz has a NTC in the final 3 years of his deal). I also feel that if Schmaltz isn't in a top 6 role he is not very useful. In watching White when he is healthy I am always surprised that he doesn't have better stats and would have full confidence playing him in a bottom 6 role if needed.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

White has scored at 38 point pace per 82 games over his last 109 games

Schmaltz has scored at a 52 point pace per 82 games over his last 122 games

Between the two of them, I think Schmaltz is more likely to produce closer to his cap hit for the remainder of his contract

You know what totally negates this difference? Buyout cost:

YR	White	Schmaltz
1	875k	3.6375m
2	875k	637.5k
3	-625k	1.1875m
4	875k	-362.5k
5	875k	2.2875m
6	875k	2.2875m

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

7	0	2.2875m
8	0	2.2875m

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

So White's buyout is an average 0f a $.625m caphit over 6 years at a total cost of $5.25m, whereas Schmaltz's buyout is an average of $1.78125m cap hit over 8 years at a total cost of $18.3m.

I wouldnt take Schmaltz for free, and that doesn't change if Arizona retains 625k a year, so I'd much rather just buy out White than trade him straight up for Schmaltz.

 

[McJedi]

As a fan of neither team, I’d be a hard pass if I’m Ottawa. Value seems way off here.

 

[BurgoShark]

You know what totally negates this difference? Buyout cost:

YR	White	Schmaltz
1	875k	3.6375m
2	875k	637.5k
3	-625k	1.1875m
4	875k	-362.5k
5	875k	2.2875m
6	875k	2.2875m

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

7	0	2.2875m
8	0	2.2875m

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

So White's buyout is an average 0f a $.625m caphit over 6 years at a total cost of $5.25m, whereas Schmaltz's buyout is an average of $1.78125m cap hit over 8 years at a total cost of $18.3m.

I wouldnt take Schmaltz for free, and that doesn't change if Arizona retains 625k a year, so I'd much rather just buy out White than trade him straight up for Schmaltz.

Yeah this. You either buyout White or you keep him and live with the overpayment for 3 years. You don’t flip him for an even bigger overpayment.

 

[izzy]

not close, ottawa says no

 

[Dead Coyote]

no takebacks and i'm a fan of schmaltz generally but god has he looked bad

 

[Dead Coyote]

no takebacks and i'm a fan of schmaltz generally but god has he looked bad

some other fans would probably take just one of these in return

 

[Xspyrit]

So neither Colin White or Schmaltz have lived up to their early potential, but White is signed for 4 seasons including this one and is owed $20.5 million for the duration of the contract. Schmaltz has 5 seasons under contract and $35.4 million owing to him. Both players have produced similar offensive stats over the past few seasons so I don't see the value in adding the more expensive, signed for longer, and equally disappointing player in Schmaltz. When you also add Brannstrom and a 2nd, it becomes far worse for the Sens. I wouldn't trade Schmaltz for White 1 for 1 if I was the Sens.

Schmaltz has produced a bit more than White but he doesn't get the same kind of deployment

He has a 65/35 oZS% vs 55/45 oZS% for White, yet White has a better CF% rel

PPG, we're talking about 0.60 vs 0.44 hich is 49 pts/82 GP vs 36 pts/82 GP

Colin White seems to be better overall while Schmaltz is better offensively

Even if it were to happen next summer, Schmaltz will be owed 28.95 for the last 4 year of the (backloaded) contract, which is 7.2375 per season in salary... Do I need to explain that Melnyk wouldn't approve that?

White is owed 2 M$ less per season on average and for 1 less year. I think they'd rather keep the cheaper player who happens to be Chabot's best friend and is also very appreciated by the whole organization. They would better by investing that money elsewhere

When we start talking about adding Brannstrom and/or a pick, then the deal becomes very bad for Ottawa

 

[SR]

I’d do Schmaltz + 2nd

for

Brannstrom and White

 

[Xspyrit]

I’d do Schmaltz + 2nd

for

Brannstrom and White

Sens would consider but ultimately, Schmaltz is a no go for Ottawa as stated in post #17

 

[rt]

I think just plain White for Schmaltz would be fine as a change of scenery deal.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I think just plain White for Schmaltz would be fine as a change of scenery deal.

No reason for Ottawa to do this. Much rather buy White out than bring on an overpaid 3rd liner for the next 4 years.

I'll put it this way: White, had he not been injured, would have needed to at least match Schmaltz's heighest peak of the past 3 seasons if he wanted to avoid a buyout.

 

[3rdWheelNeil]

To Arizona: Erik Brannstrom + Colin White + 2nd round pick

To Ottawa: Nick Schmaltz

Aside from Soderstrom, Arizona seems to not have any bluechip defensive prospects. Schmaltz is replaced by White. Ottawa needs a top 6 forward. Seems like a good fit?

What about something centred around Brannstrom for Hayton? Both struggling in current market and could use change of scenery, both franchises dealing from a point of prospect strengths to correct depth issues. Win win win?

 

[Qward]

Instead of making a new thread, what would Arizona want for Keller?

 

[rt]

Instead of making a new thread, what would Arizona want for Keller?

He put on a bunch of muscle and has actually been playing really well. He seems like a keeper to me now. His game is night-and-day different away from Tocchet. He’s going inside, unafraid of contact, much more energetic and assertive. He’s not disappearing or floating at all. Given his age and the team’s absolute dearth of talent, I think it makes sense to hang onto him now that he’s embraced the new team identity. He’s part of the eventual solution, I think.

 

[rt]

What about something centred around Brannstrom for Hayton? Both struggling in current market and could use change of scenery, both franchises dealing from a point of prospect strengths to correct depth issues. Win win win?

Hayton isn’t struggling at all. He had a fantastic camp and was only sent down because he got hurt. He’s back up now and is the best center on the team by a mile.