Confirmed Trade: [ARI/NYR] Derek Stepan and Antti Raanta for 7th overall and Anthony DeAngelo

[WesMcCauley]

Former first rounder whom we acquired for a second and had a very tenuous future with us. Has talent, but wasn't a core piece for us. Hence his inclusion in many trade threads by us. Him for Raanta is fair.

Saying we're being unreasonable when we drew a line in the sand at Dvorak, then trying to gaslight us now - keep digging yourself in your hole. Post history doesn't go away.

Dvorak and the 7th overall pick are pretty equal in value imo. I as a NYR fan wanted Dvorak+DeAngelo for Stepan and Raanta, was fine with 7th+DeAngelo, didnt want Strome+DeAngelo.

 

[Starat327]

Former first rounder whom we acquired for a second and had a very tenuous future with us. Has talent, but wasn't a core piece for us. Hence his inclusion in many trade threads by us. Him for Raanta is fair.

Saying we're being unreasonable when we drew a line in the sand at Dvorak, then trying to gaslight us now - keep digging yourself in your hole. Post history doesn't go away.

Didnt one poster also say that non-rangers fans are going to be surprised by the return of Stepan because of his status as a 1C, or something to that effect?


That thread had a whole lot of Dvorak/Strome/Keller or no deal, IIRC.

 

[Sayba]

As a Ranger fan I'm very happy with this trade, hopefully the draft pick works out, Rangers high 1st round picks have not worked out very often.

 

[Critical13]

I really thought Stepan had better numbers than he does. Someone compared him to Bozak in the Hamonic thread, and their stats (including advanced) are very similar.

NYR fans must be ecstatic, I know I would be if we got a top 10 pick for a player of that quality.

 

[ghdi]

Returned a 7th overall pick, that's a measly return?

Its a pick. That's the point. Picks are not guaranteed to replace a regular 50 point scorer and it could be tough finding a backup that provided what Raanta did.

I think the Rangers lose on the ice today, but if they end up with a great player at #7 and DeAngelo develops into a top 4 guy, this will be a steal for the Rangers, but their window with Lundquist is not going to stay open for much longer. The Rangers win in being able to use that space to improve their team in other areas, but they also created more work for themselves in the immediate. There's just a lot of ifs with the Rangers' return. I think the Coyotes needed a player like Stepan after the crap of the past few weeks and they absolutely needed a goaltender.

Arizona gets a great character guy who has experienced some success and can produce and Raanta is almost certainly going to be their #1 goaltender. Really like the trade for AZ. I don't think its a bad deal for the Rangers and it gives them some flexibility that wasn't there yesterday, but the ?s are more with the Rangers in the way of what #7 and DeAngelo become.

 

[Alberta Yote]

Good enough deal for both teams but please carry on your pissing match.

 

[XX]

Didnt one poster also say that non-rangers fans are going to be surprised by the return of Stepan because of his status as a 1C, or something to that effect?


That thread had a whole lot of Dvorak/Strome/Keller or no deal, IIRC.

Yes, they were insistent on one of the prime bluechip kids coming the other way. Obnoxious even. The threads are there for all to see.

It doesn't make sense to trade a center for a center, but that's what they wanted. Was told AZ fans weren't credible because Columbus fans were wrong about Nash once upon a time.

 

[IPreferPi]

Dvorak and the 7th overall pick are pretty equal in value imo. I as a NYR fan wanted Dvorak+DeAngelo for Stepan and Raanta, was fine with 7th+DeAngelo, didnt want Strome+DeAngelo.

We had our share of desirables at 7 (Vilardi/Glass/Mittlestadt/Makar depending on who you asked) but we valued Dvorak a heck of a lot more to the point of being effectively untouchable for trade purposes. It's apparent Chayka agreed.

 

[Hictor Vedman*]

Its a pick. That's the point. Picks are not guaranteed to replace a regular 50 point scorer and it could be tough finding a backup that provided what Raanta did.

I think the Rangers lose on the ice today, but if they end up with a great player at #7 and DeAngelo develops into a top 4 guy, this will be a steal for the Rangers, but their window with Lundquist is not going to stay open for much longer. The Rangers win in being able to use that space to improve their team in other areas, but they also created more work for themselves in the immediate. There's just a lot of ifs with the Rangers' return. I think the Coyotes needed a player like Stepan after the crap of the past few weeks and they absolutely needed a goaltender.

Arizona gets a great character guy who has experienced some success and can produce and Raanta is almost certainly going to be their #1 goaltender. Really like the trade for AZ. I don't think its a bad deal for the Rangers and it gives them some flexibility that wasn't there yesterday, but the ?s are more with the Rangers in the way of what #7 and DeAngelo become.

DeAngelo has attitude problems. He was traded from Tampa and one year after Arizona acquired him, they've moved him as well.

That is pretty telling.

 

[IPreferPi]

Didnt one poster also say that non-rangers fans are going to be surprised by the return of Stepan because of his status as a 1C, or something to that effect?


That thread had a whole lot of Dvorak/Strome/Keller or no deal, IIRC.

Nailed it.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Props to Bernmeister. He's been calling for a Stepan trade for much longer than the rest of Ranger's fandom.

I have not seen or heard from Bern today, his first post on this should be legendary

 

[LondonKendrick]

At least we have a gauge for a top ten pick valuewise, wonder if that 7OA pick is still in play now that the Rags have caproom.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Former first rounder whom we acquired for a second and had a very tenuous future with us. Has talent, but wasn't a core piece for us. Hence his inclusion in many trade threads by us. Him for Raanta is fair.

Saying we're being unreasonable when we drew a line in the sand at Dvorak, then trying to gaslight us now - keep digging yourself in your hole. Post history doesn't go away.

I'm not going back on anything, I've acknowledged what I said I wanted.

It's not my fault that you can't understand logic or read. When I say things like I'm not a general manager, one with an understanding of simple logic would be able to gather from those words that I'm not speaking in an absolute.

What I wanted was what I wanted, I'll stand by what I want, so you can accuse me of backing off of my words all you want to, I'm clearly not doing so.

However, what I thought was fair value wasn't the return. All you're doing is acting like you've won something, when you haven't. I'll "keep digging my hole" while you go learn how to read.

 

[Irishguy42]

This was a good trade...depending on what Gorton does next. With Lindberg and Stepan gone, that's a big hole to fill alongside reshaping the blue line.

 

[ghdi]

DeAngelo has attitude problems. He was traded from Tampa and one year after Arizona acquired him, they've moved him as well.

That is pretty telling.

Sure, and I'm not rooting for him to be anything but a problem for them, at the same time he's 21 years old. Maybe being closer to home will help. Like I said, the ?s almost all exist with the Rangers return. Arizona wins it today.

 

[sandysan]

thank god Stepan isnt coming to MTL

you never had to worry, he plays center !

 

[VanJack]

Wow!....Rangers better pray that Lundquist doesn't break down.....isn't he getting a little long in the tooth?.....do they have another NHL-ready goalie in the system or are they hitting the UFA market?

Surprised a rebuilding ream like the 'Yotes would give up on the seventh overall pick....might be saying something about the depth and quality of this draft.

 

[IPreferPi]

I'm not going back on anything, I've acknowledged what I said I wanted.

It's not my fault that you can't understand logic or read. When I say things like I'm not a general manager, one with an understanding of simple logic would be able to gather from those words that I'm not speaking in an absolute.

What I wanted was what I wanted, I'll stand by what I want, so you can accuse me of backing off of my words all you want to, I'm clearly not doing so.

However, what I thought was fair value wasn't the return. All you're doing is acting like you've won something, when you haven't. I'll "keep digging my hole" while you go learn how to read.

Cool story, bro. Just double down away.

 

[Starat327]

Wow!....Rangers better pray that Lundquist doesn't break down.....isn't he getting a little long in the tooth?.....do they have another NHL-ready goalie in the system or are they hitting the UFA market?

Surprised a rebuilding ream like the 'Yotes would give up on the seventh overall pick....might be saying something about the depth and quality of this draft.

Or the depth and quality of their current under 25 players. Someone earlier in the thread posted it, and they have a lot of talent. It's kind of time for them to take the next step.

 

[Crease]

Intentional step back for the Rangers. And I like it. The core peaked three years ago. Time to rebuild it and looks like they are.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Wow!....Rangers better pray that Lundquist doesn't break down.....isn't he getting a little long in the tooth?.....do they have another NHL-ready goalie in the system or are they hitting the UFA market?

Surprised a rebuilding ream like the 'Yotes would give up on the seventh overall pick....might be saying something about the depth and quality of this draft.

Yup, our top prospect is a goalie who is playing out of his mind in the KHL.

 

[Patrik Barkov]

I'd just pop out here to appreciate how Arizona have just made themselves in to a playoff team with a great prospect pool in a few good trades.

 

[bert]

Ouch, Arizona cancelling out the gains they got from the Hammer trade

Hunh? I love this move for Arizona, only so many prospects and young players you can have. Got a goalie and a 1B center thats in his prime.

 

[PG Canuck]

Solid add for the Yotes. I like the direction they are going in.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Cool story, bro. Just double down away.

Hooked on phonics, bro.