Confirmed Signing with Link: [ARI] Coyotes re-sign RFA Tobias Rieder (2 years, $2.225M AAV)

trick9

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Hes performed well but brilliant is a bit of a stretch.

Not in my books. Nobody is perfect but brilliant is the right word for me because 5 months isn't that long time for a GM to impress. He has.
 

LEAFANFORLIFE23

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None of them are as good as the Bolland/Crouse one though, except maybe the Bickell one, and we should also give props to Francis. The other examples you gave don't even come close. Did you forget Washington got Winnik? Also, Carrick isn't in the same class as Crouse or Terravainen. Lebda deal is a good example, and Burke received is share of praise for it. Lupul/Gardiner/Beauchemein deal too. Lupul was not a cap dump by any measures though and Beauchemin was brilliant for the Ducks.

Fact is, I would have love if the GM of my team would have been able to pull that deal, but cap strapped teams just can't afford it.

Lupul absolutely was a cap dump, at the at the time Lupul was just coming off a back infection and we weren't sure he would play, he did play and was great but make no mistake he started out as a cap dump.

And now he is again we have come full circle
 

thadd

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Wow... he held out for so little... and now he's probably going to have a slow start this year. Neither team wins this one.
 

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I made a Chayka/Nathan comparison that nobody seemed to pick up on in the Senators draft discussion thread at the start of the year but I'd hope I'm not the only one to see the resemblance.

The "you can't spend money on real players, but you can have people give you stuff to take on the cap hit of injured players who you don't have to pay" almost seems like something Nathan would think up.....

Lmao he did it again that tricky *******
 

mouser

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Wow... he held out for so little... and now he's probably going to have a slow start this year. Neither team wins this one.

He played in the WCOH, and got in the additional practice time while playing with Team Europe. So I doubt the missed training camp time is as big of a deal as it might have been in most other seasons.
 

varano

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Lupul absolutely was a cap dump, at the at the time Lupul was just coming off a back infection and we weren't sure he would play, he did play and was great but make no mistake he started out as a cap dump.

And now he is again we have come full circle

How quickly you forget...
Go look up how many points he got the year before his renewal...
Nonis went nuts
 

kingdok

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Lupul absolutely was a cap dump, at the at the time Lupul was just coming off a back infection and we weren't sure he would play, he did play and was great but make no mistake he started out as a cap dump.

And now he is again we have come full circle

He was a risk because of injuries, but he was still young and talented. He was well worth the risk because he didn't have a huge contract and it worked out well for the Leafs.

But that's besides the point anyway, Ducks wanted Beauchemin and simply overpaid. Probably the best deal Burke pulled as the GM of the Leafs.
 

Jakey53

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For the people saying he needs a new agent after this, I disagree

Hockey is a business, you hear it all the time. Its a business for the organizations employees as well as the players

The only way you will get more is by willing to call the other side's bluff. I have no qualms with him putting on a serious poker face to earn more money in negotiations. You have to remember that he was playing in the world cup up until less than a week ago. Its not like he has been sitting out of camp twiddling his thumbs the whole time. He was pretty smart to use the World Cup to try and boost his stock and use that as leverage for them to budge some, since that was his only leverage.

It didnt work, but he definitely didnt really hold out on the team activities, especially since a lot of players from the world cup havent even practiced with their team yet. He came back and it seems like they worked out a deal fairly quickly when it came time to get back to NHL hockey

As much as people claim he was being immature, selfish, etc, he was asking for an extra $300k a year, which seems paltry to most on an internet hockey forum, but its a hell of a lot more money than 99% of the people on here make per year. Ask the average person if they would make a big deal on if they were trying to make an extra $300,000 a year in salary, I guarantee most would take the opportunity to make that, especially since these guys need to save up all their career earnings until they retire which is likely mid 30s to last them the rest of their life, providing they manage their money wisely

It was stated he was asking for Kadri type money. His agent I think denied this but after the Coyotes said he would not be traded and did not budge is when they started to lower their ask through the media. I'm sure Rieder and his agent thought they would get a hell of a lot more.

Extremely smart post. Most people overlook the fact that these first and second RFA deals (depending on the term) serve as a stepping stone to the next contract. Starting from a lower previous contract makes the negotiations start at lower points from the upcoming contracts.

It serves as a stepping stone only if the player performs. That, I think was/is a concern with Rieder as his second half production last year dried up.
 

Jakey53

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None of them are as good as the Bolland/Crouse one though, except maybe the Bickell one, and we should also give props to Francis. The other examples you gave don't even come close. Did you forget Washington got Winnik? Also, Carrick isn't in the same class as Crouse or Terravainen. Lebda deal is a good example, and Burke received is share of praise for it. Lupul/Gardiner/Beauchemein deal too. Lupul was not a cap dump by any measures though and Beauchemin was brilliant for the Ducks.

Fact is, I would have love if the GM of my team would have been able to pull that deal, but cap strapped teams just can't afford it.

And why is your team cap strapped? I wonder if your GM may have given out too many bad contracts.:)
 

Jakey53

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Wow... he held out for so little... and now he's probably going to have a slow start this year. Neither team wins this one.

Do you mean holding out = a slow start? He played in the World Cup so conditioning is not a problem. If he starts out slow, he would just be continuing his play like the last half of last seson.
 

Sam of Montreal

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Fighting for so long over a few hundred Ks I think is not always a smart move by the GM.

Sometimes people will complain about older GMs giving too big contracts to some players, but sometimes, also, with a young player, showing good faith in negociation will lead to easier contract negociation in the future.

I see what Chayka is doing and I see wins across the board... on negociations, trades, etc...

But I also think maybe it is short sighted... GMs let him have a few small wins, but if they don't see good faith in negociations, they may sour on him quickly. Same for players.

Now, I am aware there is much speculation on this post and not much proof to back it up. It should be considered as much. But I still believe it is a possibility worth considering.
 

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Fighting for so long over a few hundred Ks I think is not always a smart move by the GM.

Sometimes people will complain about older GMs giving too big contracts to some players, but sometimes, also, with a young player, showing good faith in negociation will lead to easier contract negociation in the future.

I see what Chayka is doing and I see wins across the board... on negociations, trades, etc...

But I also think maybe it is short sighted... GMs let him have a few small wins, but if they don't see good faith in negociations, they may sour on him quickly. Same for players.

Now, I am aware there is much speculation on this post and not much proof to back it up. It should be considered as much. But I still believe it is a possibility worth considering.

The Coyotes offer never changed. Rieder's initial ask was stupid high, he played every tantrum card in the book to try and force a higher deal, but he ended up taking the Coyotes' offer. Chayka won, straight up. Rieder lost. His agent looks completely incompetent. All this praise of "well, the 2nd year salary is higher." No ****, the Coyotes will always look to defer salary if possible.
 

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