Confirmed Signing with Link: [ARI] Coyotes re-sign RFA Tobias Rieder (2 years, $2.225M AAV)

[Burnt Biscuits]

Rieder obviously didn't get his ask, but I think people are underestimating how highly agents and players value getting the last year of the contract a bit higher (on players who will still be RFA's at its expiry) to ensure the qualifier goes up and getting either a higher amount of guaranteed money off the qualifying offer or free agency if the team doesn't extend a qualifying offer, Rieder's side conceded more than the Yotes did, but they still bent a little bit to get him signed.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

For the people saying he needs a new agent after this, I disagree

Hockey is a business, you hear it all the time. Its a business for the organizations employees as well as the players

The only way you will get more is by willing to call the other side's bluff. I have no qualms with him putting on a serious poker face to earn more money in negotiations. You have to remember that he was playing in the world cup up until less than a week ago. Its not like he has been sitting out of camp twiddling his thumbs the whole time. He was pretty smart to use the World Cup to try and boost his stock and use that as leverage for them to budge some, since that was his only leverage.

It didnt work, but he definitely didnt really hold out on the team activities, especially since a lot of players from the world cup havent even practiced with their team yet. He came back and it seems like they worked out a deal fairly quickly when it came time to get back to NHL hockey

As much as people claim he was being immature, selfish, etc, he was asking for an extra $300k a year, which seems paltry to most on an internet hockey forum, but its a hell of a lot more money than 99% of the people on here make per year. Ask the average person if they would make a big deal on if they were trying to make an extra $300,000 a year in salary, I guarantee most would take the opportunity to make that, especially since these guys need to save up all their career earnings until they retire which is likely mid 30s to last them the rest of their life, providing they manage their money wisely

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Rieder obviously didn't get his ask, but I think people are underestimating how highly agents and players value getting the last year of the contract a bit higher (on players who will still be RFA's at its expiry) to ensure the qualifier goes up and getting either a higher amount of guaranteed money off the qualifying offer or free agency if the team doesn't extend a qualifying offer, Rieder's side conceded more than the Yotes did, but they still bent a little bit to get him signed.

Extremely smart post. Most people overlook the fact that these first and second RFA deals (depending on the term) serve as a stepping stone to the next contract. Starting from a lower previous contract makes the negotiations start at lower points from the upcoming contracts.

 

[Bouma Fett*]

I also don't think the people saying he needs a new agent get it. The second year pay increase gives him what he wanted most, plus, there had been reports saying the Coyotes were maybe wanting a 1 year deal, he made sure he got the two years

 

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I also don't think the people saying he needs a new agent get it. The second year pay increase gives him what he wanted most, plus, there had been reports saying the Coyotes were maybe wanting a 1 year deal, he made sure he got the two years

The Coyotes offer didn't change at all. This is it. They always wanted him for at least two years, if not more. It was Rieder that came in with a stupid initial ask and then used every card available to try and hustle for more money, but he didn't get it.

This is a massive L for his agent, and Rieder by proxy.

 

[cobra427]

For the people saying he needs a new agent after this, I disagree

Hockey is a business, you hear it all the time. Its a business for the organizations employees as well as the players

The only way you will get more is by willing to call the other side's bluff. I have no qualms with him putting on a serious poker face to earn more money in negotiations. You have to remember that he was playing in the world cup up until less than a week ago. Its not like he has been sitting out of camp twiddling his thumbs the whole time. He was pretty smart to use the World Cup to try and boost his stock and use that as leverage for them to budge some, since that was his only leverage.

It didnt work, but he definitely didnt really hold out on the team activities, especially since a lot of players from the world cup havent even practiced with their team yet. He came back and it seems like they worked out a deal fairly quickly when it came time to get back to NHL hockey

As much as people claim he was being immature, selfish, etc, he was asking for an extra $300k a year, which seems paltry to most on an internet hockey forum, but its a hell of a lot more money than 99% of the people on here make per year. Ask the average person if they would make a big deal on if they were trying to make an extra $300,000 a year in salary, I guarantee most would take the opportunity to make that, especially since these guys need to save up all their career earnings until they retire which is likely mid 30s to last them the rest of their life, providing they manage their money wisely

Agreed. The agent negotiated a deal down to the wire really. Reider is in shape from the world cup and the Coyotes are trying out young players in pre season. Reider missing a few days of camp doesn't hurt him or the team. Agent did the best he could, all is fine.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Agreed. The agent negotiated a deal down to the wire really. Reider is in shape from the world cup and the Coyotes are trying out young players in pre season. Reider missing a few days of camp doesn't hurt him or the team. Agent did the best he could, all is fine.

Exactly, the RFA negotiations you worry about ruining the relationship with the team and player are the ones like Derek Stepan a few years back where he missed pretty much all of training camp and didnt sign until 1 week from opening night or when Ryan O'Reilly held out forever in his negotiations. Sometimes they work out (Stepan) and sometimes they go sour (ROR) as clearly O'Reilly took mental inventory of that negotiation to force Colorado's hand to trade him for the next upcoming contract demands

Rieder never really sat out as he was never actually available to be at camp due to the World Cup

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Does what? What's he done? He took on salary to gain assets and re signed his own guys, any GM can do that

He went to GM university where he got really good grades.

 

[mouser]

Fair contract that shouldn't have taken this long to get sorted out.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Who else is doing it though? Who else has landed a Lawson Crouse by eating a contract?

DeAngelo deal.

Moving up to get Chychrun who apparently will likely start this year in NHL and already scouts are saying they overscouted him (I was at U18's and the game I saw him play likely cost him 5-8 spots in the draft).

Signing Goligoski.

We did it last year we took brooks Laich Contract and got Connor Carrick and a 2nd. Basically we bought Carrick and a 2nd.

Granted Carrick isn't the prospect Crouse is but it's the exact same type of trade, eat a contract to get picks, prospects and young players GMS do it all the time

Carolina is another example take Bickell to get TT

Take Lombardi to get Franso

Take Lupul to get Gardiner

I can go all the way back SJ taking Malkhov from NJ and getting a 1st rounder

Arizona isn't doing anything different than any GM has done for years it's not something to be impressed by and the only people are is because he's young

 

[Nordic*]

Who is Rieder's agent.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Dominoes, please

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Who is Rieder's agent.

Darren Ferris

He came from CAA which was led by Pat Brisson who is the agent of Kopitar, Kane, Toews, etc and he spun off to start his new agency. They guy clearly has a skeleton cliental with the start up so the hard line negotiations over $300k make sense. He was clearly fighting for the client as well as the agency commission as a new biz venture

Here is their website
http://www.definitivehockey.com/

 

[danielpalfredsson]

omg dude. Nathan for you/ Chayka.....



i really hope you made that up because im incredibly impressed..

I made a Chayka/Nathan comparison that nobody seemed to pick up on in the Senators draft discussion thread at the start of the year but I'd hope I'm not the only one to see the resemblance.

The "you can't spend money on real players, but you can have people give you stuff to take on the cap hit of injured players who you don't have to pay" almost seems like something Nathan would think up.....

 

[Stive Morgan]

GM John Chayka does it again.

The plan: sign Tobias Rieder to a 2 year contract with the Arizona Coyotes. But what he won't know, is.....

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

So Rider cried and sat out for nothing? Seems typical. Kid needs a new agent.

He should have used this guy's agent!

 

[TheLegend]

He should have used this guy's agent!

After Kyle Turris..... hell no!!

 

[trick9]

Does what? What's he done? He took on salary to gain assets and re signed his own guys, any GM can do that

Resigned his own guys to good contracts.

Signed Jamie McGinn.

Signed Radim Vrbata to a bargain contract.

Signed one of the top UFA D's in Goligoski.

Robbed the Panthers in that Lawson Crouse -trade.

Robbed the Lightning in that Anthony DeAngelo -trade.

Traded up for Jakob Chychrun, while also saving 7.5 million, which is huge for that franchise.

He's been brilliant in his first 5 months as a GM.

 

[kingdok]

We did it last year we took brooks Laich Contract and got Connor Carrick and a 2nd. Basically we bought Carrick and a 2nd.

Granted Carrick isn't the prospect Crouse is but it's the exact same type of trade, eat a contract to get picks, prospects and young players GMS do it all the time

Carolina is another example take Bickell to get TT

Take Lombardi to get Franso

Take Lupul to get Gardiner

I can go all the way back SJ taking Malkhov from NJ and getting a 1st rounder

Arizona isn't doing anything different than any GM has done for years it's not something to be impressed by and the only people are is because he's young

None of them are as good as the Bolland/Crouse one though, except maybe the Bickell one, and we should also give props to Francis. The other examples you gave don't even come close. Did you forget Washington got Winnik? Also, Carrick isn't in the same class as Crouse or Terravainen. Lebda deal is a good example, and Burke received is share of praise for it. Lupul/Gardiner/Beauchemein deal too. Lupul was not a cap dump by any measures though and Beauchemin was brilliant for the Ducks.

Fact is, I would have love if the GM of my team would have been able to pull that deal, but cap strapped teams just can't afford it.

 

[sxvnert]

Resigned his own guys to good contracts.

Signed Jamie McGinn.

Signed Radim Vrbata to a bargain contract.

Signed one of the top UFA D's in Goligoski.

Robbed the Panthers in that Lawson Crouse -trade.

Robbed the Lightning in that Anthony DeAngelo -trade.

Traded up for Jakob Chychrun, while also saving 7.5 million, which is huge for that franchise.

He's been brilliant in his first 5 months as a GM.

Hes performed well but brilliant is a bit of a stretch.

 

[TheNewEra]

Great job by the gm to hold the line

Coyotes have a great gm and it's upsetting that ottawas gm isn't at the same level

 

[AvsGuy]

Appropriately paid for his stats. Looks like a solid first season though, improve on that and he'll get paid big.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Chayka to Rieder and his agent.

 

[Gotaf7]

It seems Rieder came to his senses and realized RFA's usually don't get traded unless they are under contract. He should call Trouba and let him in on his revelation.

 

[Theokritos]

No idea why people are upset with the player. He tried to get a better salary, "held out" (a misleading term, he was free to not attend camp as a RFA), it didn't work. Not sure what's wrong with a professional athlete pursuing an allowed way to try get a better contract.