Trade: [ARI/ATL] Shelby Miller to D-Backs for Inciarte, Blair and Swanson

[Eyedea]

It's like the Padres in that they made huge splashes in the winter. It's the complete opposite of the Padres because the moves actually made sense, even if they overpaid.

Kemp and Upton with no infield and playing Myers in CF was always going to be a disaster. This keeps a strong offense together and massively upgrades the pitching staff to one of the best top three starters in baseball.

It's not like the Padres rotation of Shields/Ross/Cashner/Kennedy/Morrow was projected to be bad. And the DBacks themselves aren't exactly filling all of their holes to the best of their abilities. Their middle infield is still pretty bad, and their RFer is now Yasmany Tomas. Their bullpen is also extremely poor and their catching tandem is Castillo/Herrmann. Moving Inciarte (a valuable OFer) for Miller is one thing, but to add your two best prospects, one of which is a 4/5 tool SS with elite potential, just makes it seem like there was a lack of negotiating on their end or at least improper gauging of the market.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Local radio made an interesting point that this deal was done to solidify the Greinke deal. Meaning, they don't want to spend $200M on Greinke to not contend now. You figure you should get 4 real good years from Greinke, and this allows you control over Miller for 3. So in that sense I can somewhat understand their thinking as they're clearly trying to win in the next three years, which are also going to be Goldy's prime.

My problem is with all that said, ultimately the market dictates what players are worth, and just because you want to win now and are willing to overpay doesn't mean it's a sound business decision. If you win a WS then sure, but at the end of the day you still overpaid. So as of right now there's no getting around the fact that if you're grading the deal today, they lost it fairly badly.

If they decide that they're going for it and need to make another upgrade to the rotation then fine I get it, but there should be more than 1 option out there. Literally picking the most lopsided trade in a while when there are likely multiple options was the stupid part.

Fernandez was an option if they added some, can't say for sure if any other teams were willing to bite on trading a starter of Shelby Miller's level but if the players the dbacks put on the table were available I'd be willing to bet someone else would bite.

But what do I know maybe this was the best possible deal they could have made, it just seems unlikely.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

It's not like the Padres rotation of Shields/Ross/Cashner/Kennedy/Morrow was projected to be bad. And the DBacks themselves aren't exactly filling all of their holes to the best of their abilities. Their middle infield is still pretty bad, and their RFer is now Yasmany Tomas. Their bullpen is also extremely poor and their catching tandem is Castillo/Herrmann. Moving Inciarte (a valuable OFer) for Miller is one thing, but to add your two best prospects, one of which is a 4/5 tool SS with elite potential, just makes it seem like there was a lack of negotiating on their end or at least improper gauging of the market.

Their middle infield is not bad. Ahmed isn't the greatest hitter, but he hits enough to make putting his glove in the lineup worthwhile. Not to mention, Owings has good potential and is a decent 2b.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

How is the DBack's pen?

Their top-3 looks great, as is their core offense. Looks like the NL West is the new AL East.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

How is the DBack's pen?

Their top-3 looks great, as is their core offense. Looks like the NL West is the new AL East.

Meh at best. Ziegler is dependable, but not a high leverage reliever.

 

[Eyedea]

Their middle infield is not bad. Ahmed isn't the greatest hitter, but he hits enough to make putting his glove in the lineup worthwhile. Not to mention, Owings has good potential and is a decent 2b.

I've soured on Owings this past season. Discipline has never really been good but his BB/K and contact/swing rates were awful in 2015. Bright side is that he can't be worse than he just was. At least I hope not for his sake.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

2B would be the only spot that could have a practical upgrade offensively, but I think it'd be a waste of assets with Owings, Hill and Drury coming up.

 

[DougieSmash]

Collect all the prospects.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Would be great for the Cubs if they nab Heyward and swap out Soler.

 

[Pwnasaurus]

Would be great for the Cubs if they nab Heyward and swap out Soler.

I'm sure that's the current thought process.

I think it's potentially a good thing for the Cards if the Cubs are involved right now. Even billionaire owners are (semi) human and prone to get into anatomical contests.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Zobrist
Heyward
Rizzo
Bryant
Schwarber
Russell
Inciarte
Pitcher
Montero

I'm okay with this.

 

[Pwnasaurus]

Denard Span would look much better in the 2 hole

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Would be great for the Cubs if they nab Heyward and swap out Soler.

Meh. I'd prefer the Jays to go after him instead and flip some outfielders for pitching help.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Collect all the prospects.

Doesn't sound like they'll trade him. Their biggest needs are young, controllable bats. So, they need to get back an Inciarte in the deal. This too...

Ken Rosenthal · 4h4 hours ago

Sources: #Braves have received numerous inquiries on Inciarte since acquiring him, including from #Cubs. Not engaging in trade discussions.

 

[Eyedea]

I'd love to flip Revere somewhere and bring in Inciarte.

 

[MMC]

Miller got nontendered this offseason. Made 28 starts with the DBacks with a 0.9 WAR. Horrible trade.

 

[awfulwaffle]

Thanks for bringing up this terrible memory.

 

[BGDDYKWL]

Even worse than the Goldy deal, and that's tough to do.

 

[rangerssharks414]

Thanks for bumping this thread.