Are you allowed to challenge your own goal for offside?

Canada4Gold

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Yes the question in the title seems ridiculous but bear with me. Is it legal to challenge that your own goal should not count?

This stems from the situation at the end of the leafs/Hawks game where Toronto was losing 3-1 and scored with 6 seconds left. This makes the game 3-2 but the odds of scoring in 6 seconds with the faceoff at center ice are almost 0. It turns out that the Leafs zone entry at 51 seconds remaining was offside. Because the clock is under a minute this review happens automatically and the goal was called back. The clock was reset to 51 seconds and now the Leafs have 51 seconds to score twice. Still very difficult but I would say more likely than scoring once in 6 seconds with the faceoff at center. In theory this goal being called back helped Toronto. If the offside review wasn't automatic and Chicago decided not to challenge(which they shouldn't) would the Leafs be allowed to challenge that their own goal should not count?

With the automatic review a real game situation would require the situation to happen outside 1 minute which gives you enough time it's tough to find a scenario that fits but lets say a team is losing 5-1 and enters the offensive zone offside with 18 minutes left, and possesses the puck in the offsensive zone for 16 minutes and 55 seconds before finally scoring(crazy I know but it's a hypothetical). They're down 5-2 with 1:05 left. But if the goal gets called back they're down 5-1 with 18 minutes left. Can they challenge their own goal?
 
Nope. The rules specify “defending team” in the challenge section.

38.2 Situations Subject to Coach’s Challenge – A team may only request a Coach’s Challenge to review the following scenarios:

(a) “Off-Side” Play Leading to a Goal – A play that results in a “GOAL” call on the ice where the defending team claims that the play should have been stopped by reason of an “Off-Side” infraction by the attacking team (see Rule 83 – Off-Side)
 
The use of the word "defending" in the rule would seem to suggest Toronto would not be allowed to challenge their own goal in your example (assuming my googling turned up the correct NHL rulebook):

"Situations Subject to Coach’s Challenge – A team may only request a Coach’s Challenge to review the following scenarios:

A play that results in a “GOAL” call on the ice where the defending team claims that the play should have been stopped by reason of an “Off-Side” infraction by the attacking team (see Rule 83 – Off-Side);"

 
I’m reminded of Voracek l, I think, basically declining a penalty call by telling the refs he wasn’t actually high sticked and wonder if a team could just decline the goal, but even if they could the clock wouldn’t reset.
 
The offside review is such a mess- any time it’s close I find myself hoping my team just ends up having to re-set with a cleaner entry. That’s.. not really what a fan should focus on, but that’s kinda what the nhl has made most relevant.

Anyways, blah, idk OP.
So I am not alone... what a relief
 
Here a trivia:

What happens if you have to reset the clock on a bad goal before a time where a player is assigned a game missconduit?
 
Here a trivia:

What happens if you have to reset the clock on a bad goal before a time where a player is assigned a game missconduit?
Multiverse paradox ensues

I would assume that the play would stop with the goal. Then the re iew happens, the clock is reset and the penalty applied. So the penalty would appear to happen simultaneous with the stoppage, even though it actually happened "after".
 
Yes the question in the title seems ridiculous but bear with me. Is it legal to challenge that your own goal should not count?

This stems from the situation at the end of the leafs/Hawks game where Toronto was losing 3-1 and scored with 6 seconds left. This makes the game 3-2 but the odds of scoring in 6 seconds with the faceoff at center ice are almost 0. It turns out that the Leafs zone entry at 51 seconds remaining was offside. Because the clock is under a minute this review happens automatically and the goal was called back. The clock was reset to 51 seconds and now the Leafs have 51 seconds to score twice. Still very difficult but I would say more likely than scoring once in 6 seconds with the faceoff at center. In theory this goal being called back helped Toronto. If the offside review wasn't automatic and Chicago decided not to challenge(which they shouldn't) would the Leafs be allowed to challenge that their own goal should not count?

With the automatic review a real game situation would require the situation to happen outside 1 minute which gives you enough time it's tough to find a scenario that fits but lets say a team is losing 5-1 and enters the offensive zone offside with 18 minutes left, and possesses the puck in the offsensive zone for 16 minutes and 55 seconds before finally scoring(crazy I know but it's a hypothetical). They're down 5-2 with 1:05 left. But if the goal gets called back they're down 5-1 with 18 minutes left. Can they challenge their own goal?

No, this would still be idiotic. Not even close to guarantee you even get your goal back.
 
The automatic review handles most of these situations where this is relevant. 1 minute is enough to even score 4 goals, so rarely is this going to be a factor.
 
The offside review is such a mess- any time it’s close I find myself hoping my team just ends up having to re-set with a cleaner entry. That’s.. not really what a fan should focus on, but that’s kinda what the nhl has made most relevant.

Anyways, blah, idk OP.
I do the same thing. If it looks close, I stop rooting for a goal. Just a hard stop on cheering the play on. I instead root SO hard for a defensive clear just so they don't have to go through the rigmarole, the delay, the destruction of momentum that happens if they scored and it gets called back.

It's unreal how dumb the whole thing is.
 
I do the same thing. If it looks close, I stop rooting for a goal. Just a hard stop on cheering the play on. I instead root SO hard for a defensive clear just so they don't have to go through the rigmarole, the delay, the destruction of momentum that happens if they scored and it gets called back.

It's unreal how dumb the whole thing is.
Yeah, it's shit because you lost one of the best parts of live sports -- celebrating a score. In the back of your head you're like, well, it could come back, so...can't get too excited. Then if the goal still counts it's more of a sigh of relief than a celebration.

Same thing in soccer, can't celebrate many goals since they might be offiside...VAR for offsides has also made things worse IMO since it's not exact and doesn't catch everything anyway. So why bother.

I watch sports for the live theater. Officials f***ing up is part of that. It adds to the suspense/joy/frustration. Theater is human, keep sports human.
 
Imagine challenging your own goal, the on ice call stands so the score is still 3-2 but now the other teams gets a PP for delay of game.
 
Why would you want to? The only scenario I could come up with would be to keep the game tied so the opponent gets a point and knocks out a rival you don't want to face in the playoffs. But if that were the case, why would you even be trying to score at that point anyway?
 
Why would you want to? The only scenario I could come up with would be to keep the game tied so the opponent gets a point and knocks out a rival you don't want to face in the playoffs. But if that were the case, why would you even be trying to score at that point anyway?

The OP gave an example where it would actually make sense to consider it.
 

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