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please tank. please...

I can do 48 games standing on my head.

this team is so sub par right now. they have no shot in the playoffs. it's a tank year.
 
xyzz said:
I really dont understand guys who want to tank.

So here we are.. opening night of the season... anything is possible...Leafs vs. Habs.. and your hoping for the Habs?

Why bother calling yourself a leaf fan?


I understand the idea of tanking to get a better pick when its clear that we're out of the playoffs, this is for those who want to tank before the puck drops.
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nobody wants to tank but some of us have VERY VERY low expectations for this team this year
 
Mess said:
Good teams are built from the Goalie OUT, through strong defense and strength down the middle.

Poor teams are built from the Wingers IN, though weak defense and questionable goaltending.

So unfortunately for our team having its only real strength on the Wings makes it a poorly built team, unless tanking and high draft picks is the desired outcome.
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very true
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
nobody wants to tank but some of us have VERY VERY low expectations for this team this year
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i dont understand the blind faith of some people, and why its an apparent contradiction between being a leafs fan and being a realist.

if someone said the jays weren't going to make the playoffs last year, would people be chirping "shut up! you're not a real jays fan!"?
 
Interactif said:
Judging from your reply, put one in the corner of being okay with losing Kessel for nothing, if he does what he has already done before, choose to leave one organization for another.

Don't ever apply to be GM guy, you would make Burkie proud.

If Kessel re-signs now, then it is all moot and I will be happy he is a Leaf, but will he want another 3 years of rebuilding? This team is nowhere close to being a Cup contender without significant additions.
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Yes because one randomly "applies" to be an NHL GM. :laugh:

I don't spend my hours worrying about "ifs" and "buts". You can if that's your choice. Knock yourself out.

That anyone in their right mind would even discuss being worried about Mr. All World 2nd rounder biting us (when we have about 20 players of that calibre already) just amuses me. I get the potential concern about the other two but really?
 
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Mess said:
Pressure changes not the argument.

If the theory is this team lacks intestinal fortitude to compete, crumbling under pressure, thus explaining the bottom 10 standings finishes each season, then that is explained by how pressure at different times during a season effects the final outcome.

What argument changing?
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Oh it's changed many times. It was that we faced all backups until that was shown incorrect. It was that other teams were mailing it in against us until that was shown to have little validity. It was "we only did well at the start when there was no pressure". It was "we only did well at the end when there was no pressure".

It's a target that moves a lot.
 
Kadri line looked very good, he still got knocked off the puck too easily at times but was dangerous, creative and most of all very responsible. I thought he had excellent jump and has a real chance to prove something this year.

I think 12 and 12 would be a good start to his real career.
 
Sokil said:
i dont understand the blind faith of some people, and why its an apparent contradiction between being a leafs fan and being a realist.
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Saying that they should intentionally tank does not make one a realist. Saying they don't have much chance in the playoffs makes one a realist, advocating that they tank does not.
 
colchar said:
Actually a lot of people around here are advocating that they tank.
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I think a lot of people do not think they have the talent to make the playoffs (I among them). And as opposed to the 9-11 finsh they seem poised for I will cheer to 8th as long as it remains realistic and once that window vanishes, I will cross my fingers they come last.

8th or 15th... I pray they choose one and not in between.
 
If it is genuinely a youth movement, it might well come to that. But who says this organization will not decide on another direction a month and a half from now.
 
I hope we get absolutely hammered from here on out. This team HAS to tank. They aren't going to get a franchise center like Mckinnon in any other way. We've been a subpar team for way too many years, it's time these Pejorative Slurs realize that a proper rebuild by selecting top-end talent from the draft is due...
 
kesleaf said:
I hope we get absolutely hammered from here on out. This team HAS to tank. They aren't going to get a franchise center like Mckinnon in any other way. We've been a subpar team for way too many years, it's time these Pejorative Slurs realize that a proper rebuild by selecting top-end talent from the draft is due...
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Here is what will happen. When you tank, you won't lose every game. The Leafs were on track last night by beating Montreal. They will beat Montreal, Ottawa and Boston every time. Going 15-33 is good or bad enough to guarantee you a basement finish. Going 15-0 against those 3 teams and drafting MacKinnon or Jones would soften the blow of such a terrible record :D
 
Last night may have been an indication, we'll never be able to tank as well as the smurfs. Just do the best with what we have.
 
Should Leafs really tank this year?

IMO the tanking strategy isn't going to work out well for the Leafs this year.

Everyone wants McKinnon, Jones or Druin but in order to guaruntee one of these players the Leafs would have to end up 2nd from last or last place. (which I don't think will happen).

The new rules for the lottery make it an equal chance to get first overall for all teams not making the playoffs.

I think the Leafs should try to win as many games as possible and make some chemistry with the guys that will now be there for a long time (Lupul, Grabo, Hopefully Kessel etc.). If they don't make the playoffs then we have just as good a chance as any other team to get the 1st pick.
 
18leafsfan18 said:
IMO the tanking strategy isn't going to work out well for the Leafs this year.

Everyone wants McKinnon, Jones or Druin but in order to guaruntee one of these players the Leafs would have to end up 2nd from last or last place. (which I don't think will happen).

The new rules for the lottery make it an equal chance to get first overall for all teams not making the playoffs.

I think the Leafs should try to win as many games as possible and make some chemistry with the guys that will now be there for a long time (Lupul, Grabo, Hopefully Kessel etc.). If they don't make the playoffs then we have just as good a chance as any other team to get the 1st pick.
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Incorrect, the only thing changed is that the teams from 30th to 16th have a chance to move all the way up to first in the draft lottery. (previously, winning the lottery meant you could move up a maximum of 4 spots). The chances are still weighted where 30th has the highest %, and each subsequent team has a lower % chance of winning. It is Not and equal chance.
 
18leafsfan18 said:
IMO the tanking strategy isn't going to work out well for the Leafs this year.

Everyone wants McKinnon, Jones or Druin but in order to guaruntee one of these players the Leafs would have to end up 2nd from last or last place. (which I don't think will happen).

The new rules for the lottery make it an equal chance to get first overall for all teams not making the playoffs.

I think the Leafs should try to win as many games as possible and make some chemistry with the guys that will now be there for a long time (Lupul, Grabo, Hopefully Kessel etc.). If they don't make the playoffs then we have just as good a chance as any other team to get the 1st pick.
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False, it is heavily weighted. Those who do the worst have the best chance at getting first overall. I seem to remember someone saying that if you finish just out of the playoffs you could be looking at less than 1% of a chance of winning the lottery.
 
18leafsfan18 said:
IMO the tanking strategy isn't going to work out well for the Leafs this year.

Everyone wants McKinnon, Jones or Druin but in order to guaruntee one of these players the Leafs would have to end up 2nd from last or last place. (which I don't think will happen).

The new rules for the lottery make it an equal chance to get first overall for all teams not making the playoffs.

I think the Leafs should try to win as many games as possible and make some chemistry with the guys that will now be there for a long time (Lupul, Grabo, Hopefully Kessel etc.). If they don't make the playoffs then we have just as good a chance as any other team to get the 1st pick.
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Is it an equal chance? I thought the lottery will still be weighed as previous, but just more teams involved in the lottery.

I vote for tanking. One more year of no playoffs which sucks, but if we landed one of the top 3 it would be worth it.

They're projecting McKinnon to be the next Crosby...Leafs have NEVER had a player of that caliber. We deserve one, but no one will hand one over...we have to draft one!

TANK!
 
I doubt the Leafs have purpotedly tanked the years before this, nor do I think we are tanking now. Nonis has let the kids play, and is willing to live with any consequence that may cause. If they play well, we finish out of the bottom 10. If they don't, we end up with a top 10. Seems pretty simply to me.

If he wanted to tank, he would've moved Lupul, Mac, Liles and other quality veterans for picks.
 
There are some really solid prospects in the ~4-7 range as well. Barkov, Lindholm, Monahan, etc. So we wouldn't necessarily have to finish bottom 1-3 to get a really good prospect.

I personally just view this as a transition year. We've already moved Connolly/Lombardi. Lupul got locked up, but Bozak, MacArthur, and Steckel are all still pending free agents. We're testing out our goaltending to see what we have in Scrivens/Reimer, seeing how Kadri, Komarov, Kostka, etc can handle NHL roles.

It's a good year to shed some pieces that won't be around longterm, acquire some picks, and just let the kids play. As to where we'll finish, impossible to say. But it's a good draft, lots of good options.
 
Leafs could still draft a potential #1 centre in Monahan or Lindholm. These two could go between #5 - 10.
 
Here were the odds for the 2012 lottery, I assume it will be the same for 2013 but this time the winner gets 1st overall instead of moving up 5 spots.

25.0% - 30th
18.8% - 29th
14.2% - 28th
10.7% - 27th
8.1% - 26th
6.2% - 25th
4.7% - 24th
3.6% - 23rd
2.7% - 22nd
2.1% - 21st
1.5% - 20th
1.1% - 19th
0.8% - 18th
0.5% - 17th
 
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