Are we ruining the kids?

[jaywills1020]

Im really paying attention to Chytil and Lias A tonight. In my opinion they have no business being on this team. I feel that they are not ready for the NHL game yet. I’m also worried that we’re rushing them and it’s going to ruin their development. Am I in the minority or do you guys agree?

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[ReggieDunlop68]

Im really paying attention to Chytil and Lias A tonight. In my opinion they have no business being on this team. I feel that they are not ready for the NHL game yet. I’m also worried that we’re rushing them and it’s going to ruin their development. Am I in the minority or do you guys agree?

No.

Ruining is a myth used to justify the wrong expectations.

Based on how the draft works, most current and future hall of famers had to start their careers on some of the shittiest teams in "loser cultures" with the weight of the world on their shoulders, and they weren't ruined.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Runining? No
Is what the coaching staff is doing rn ideal for their development? Also no
I think Chytils fine as long as they keep playing him enough minuets. As for Andersson hes looked ok but he should be back in hartford getting top minuets. Gotta do it beofre they burn a year off his elc too like they did with Chytil

 

[jaywills1020]

No.

Ruining is a myth used to justify the wrong expectations.

Based on how the draft works, most current and future hall of famers had to start their careers on some of the ****tiest teams in "loser cultures" with the weight of the world on their shoulders, and they weren't ruined.

I’m not talking about my expectations. They just don’t seem ready for the NHL game. I think they’re gonna be good players but I think they should be developing in the A as of right now.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I’m not talking about my expectations. They just don’t seem ready for the NHL game. I think they’re gonna be good players but I think they should be developing in the A as of right now.

In the past, the Rangers burned out prospects and ended up trading them or burying them by NOT playing them in the NHL. The Rangers had so much old and over paid shit on the roster that there wasn't even spots to take for what they did draft when they weren't flipping their 1st OA for some other aging star.

Unless it leads to injury, I do not see how playing the team's top prospects in a lower pressure year hurt. How can NHL experience hurt? And Quinn has been easing them in, yet people bitch about that too.

 

[CommaSynapse]

In the past, the Rangers burned out prospects and ended up trading them or burying them by NOT playing them in the NHL. The Rangers had so much old and over paid **** on the roster that there wasn't even spots to take for what they did draft when they weren't flipping their 1st OA for some other aging star.

Unless it leads to injury, I do not see how playing the team's top prospects in a lower pressure year hurt. How can NHL experience hurt? And Quinn has been easing them in, yet people ***** about that too.

The other thing is that both were close to a point per game in the heavily defensive league that is the AHL. If they're excelling at that level, the only thing to do is bring them up to let them get used to the NHL style and the NHL pace. They don't look completely lost. Chytil's goal tonight was a matter of reading the play and being in the right spot, ready to react. That's not a kid that's lost, in my opinion. He's learning.

The flip side to OP's argument would be that overcooking them in the AHL would just lead to complacency.

 

[LORDE]

No we aren’t

 

[Fvital92]

Im really paying attention to Chytil and Lias A tonight. In my opinion they have no business being on this team. I feel that they are not ready for the NHL game yet. I’m also worried that we’re rushing them and it’s going to ruin their development. Am I in the minority or do you guys agree?

Tonight was one of the worst games Chytil's played this season, he has been really good by the eye test and advanced stats so far this season. No reason to send him to Hartford if you don't play him with McLeod and Lettieri.
Lias played like 4 or 5 games, so it's hard to tell, but he has played at least 3 games with McLeod and Lettieri, so he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Machinehead]

I think you could say it's been frustrating that Chytil isn't scoring, but to say he doesn't belong here is harsh imo.

Saying he should go down to play more minutes is a different argument.

 

[aufheben]

I think you could say it's been frustrating that Chytil isn't scoring, but to say he doesn't belong here is harsh imo.

Saying he should go down to play more minutes is a different argument.

Chytil still tries to make plays that don't work in the NHL. I don't know how much more AHL time is going to fix something like that.

Between Chytil, Howden, Andersson, Kravtsov, and Miller, I'd say things are actually going pretty fantastic right now.

 

[Ori]

Lias had some good passes to Lettieri, but I would use Lias on the third line next game, because Lias usually scores if he get some good scoring chances. I don`t know why Quinn use Lias on the 4th line - he has a much better skillset than that.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Chytil still tries to make plays that don't work in the NHL. I don't know how much more AHL time is going to fix something like that.

Between Chytil, Howden, Andersson, Kravtsov, and Miller, I'd say things are actually going pretty fantastic right now.

Here’s my obligatory, ‘not enough Joey Keane’ response.

 

[will1066]

I’m not talking about my expectations. They just don’t seem ready for the NHL game. I think they’re gonna be good players but I think they should be developing in the A as of right now.

They're probably seen as tweeners. But they don't think that putting them in the A will do them much good

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Wut.

 

[jaywills1020]

In the past, the Rangers burned out prospects and ended up trading them or burying them by NOT playing them in the NHL. The Rangers had so much old and over paid **** on the roster that there wasn't even spots to take for what they did draft when they weren't flipping their 1st OA for some other aging star.

Unless it leads to injury, I do not see how playing the team's top prospects in a lower pressure year hurt. How can NHL experience hurt? And Quinn has been easing them in, yet people ***** about that too.

Who did they burn out by not playing them in the NHL? Easing them in is one thing but I personally don’t think they’re ready for even that. Let them get their game going in the A.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

No.

Ruining is a myth used to justify the wrong expectations.

Based on how the draft works, most current and future hall of famers had to start their careers on some of the ****tiest teams in "loser cultures" with the weight of the world on their shoulders, and they weren't ruined.

Agreed. It's a narrative for players who suck and/or not as good as you thought.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Who did they burn out by not playing them in the NHL? Easing them in is one thing but I personally don’t think they’re ready for even that. Let them get their game going in the A.

We will never know since the Rangers either used to trade the picks for aging names, trade the prospects for aging names, or of the few they kept in the system, they got buried in the minors sans a few injury call ups per year.

Anyway, I will reaffirm my OP because it was an answer to the main point of the thread.

Outside of serious injury or some extreme behind the scenes issues, "ruining" prospects has been a myth for years to try to explain why an over rated or unfit for the league at the given time could not be what they wanted them to be.

 

[Idlerlee]

Just want to add to the discussion that between games the players practice an absolute f***ton. The kids have more out of practicing with NHL players than AHLers, but thats just my opinion.

 

[haohmaru]

Im really paying attention to Chytil and Lias A tonight. In my opinion they have no business being on this team. I feel that they are not ready for the NHL game yet. I’m also worried that we’re rushing them and it’s going to ruin their development. Am I in the minority or do you guys agree?

There aren't any expectations, really, so no. They aren't playing to "save" the team or to earn a playoff spot, they're playing to play against NHL players to get experience against NHL players. Skating rings around people in the A isn't going to help them a whole lot.

 

[SML2]

Keep in mind it's not all on the ice. These two are getting used to North America. These how are getting used to NYC. They Are under the care of a strength and conditioning coach and their daily practices are directly supervised. Just because they aren't getting great ice, they aren't completely wasting the year.

 

[Ola]

No.

Ruining is a myth used to justify the wrong expectations.

Based on how the draft works, most current and future hall of famers had to start their careers on some of the ****tiest teams in "loser cultures" with the weight of the world on their shoulders, and they weren't ruined.

I almost always agree with you but not on this topic. I am almost the polar opposite. A top No 1 pick that an entire organization aims to support can be rushed, the rest are often severely hurt by being rushed. IMHO.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I love that this is a thread considering we're going back-to-back games with Howden having a goal and primary assist, and Chytil scoring 2 goals after getting a significant bump in ice time to the 1st line, 1st special teams unit, and being played in late-minute situations. Even Lias was given a shot at top-6 minutes before yesterday.

 

[jaywills1020]

I love that this is a thread considering we're going back-to-back games with Howden having a goal and primary assist, and Chytil scoring 2 goals after getting a significant bump in ice time to the 1st line, 1st special teams unit, and being played in late-minute situations. Even Lias was given a shot at top-6 minutes before yesterday.

I’m not talking about Howden. He’s NHL ready. I said Chytil and Andersson. Just because you score a goal doesn’t mean you played a good game. Chytil in my opinion had a terrible game yesterday. He got pushed around and had a few terrible turnovers from trying to make moves that don’t work in the NHL.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I almost always agree with you but not on this topic. I am almost the polar opposite. A top No 1 pick that an entire organization aims to support can be rushed, the rest are often severely hurt by being rushed. IMHO.

I did state it was a weak excuse right?

 

[Rangers ftw]

I’m not talking about Howden. He’s NHL ready. I said Chytil and Andersson. Just because you score a goal doesn’t mean you played a good game. Chytil in my opinion had a terrible game yesterday. He got pushed around and had a few terrible turnovers from trying to make moves that don’t work in the NHL.

The only way to learn that is to play in the NHL. The whole “ruining” thing is usually a result of fans having unrealistic expectations regarding the prospects ability to be an impact player at an early stage. Very few rookies are.

If the coach doesn’t let player X play, he’s ruining him by not playing him. If he gives him sheltered minutes on the 4th line he’s ruining his offensive game, if he put him on the 1st line he’s more exposed since the opposing players will be better and consequently player X will look worse and not NHL ready...and so on.

Imo, quite rarely is a player ruined by the coaches decisions, there are examples of course, but in the end, it’s mostly about the players skill, determination and willingness to work hard that decide what kind of player he will turn out to be and if he will make it in the NHL.

Imo rangers are doing good developing their prospects at the moment.