Speculation: Are the Wild Finally Going to Blow It Up?

[AKL]

Speculation: - 2018-19 NHL Lines Thread (as of Feb. 14th '19 @ 9:00am)
someone better tell HFBoards that they are wrong then because they have Greenway playing 1st Line RW

but I can also list the other players brown is better than if you want

Connor Brown - 19 Points


Jordan Greenway - 17 Points
Marcus Foligno - 15 Points
Luke Kunin - 12 Points
Eric Fehr - 10 Points
Joel Eriksson-Ek - 10 Points
Victor Rask - 2 Points
Matt Hendricks - 2 Points

aka, everyone in your bottom 6 and, according to HFBoards, your 1st line RW.

Is HFBoards a reliable source now?

When healthy, our right wingers are Granlund, Coyle and Kunin. And no, he isn’t better than any of them.

 

[TheBigLetowski]

After the Rask for Nino trade Waddell said he and Fenton had talked for weeks about bigger deals.

Wonder if they go for round 2.

Where'd you see that? Would love Granlund as possible 2C, or maybe even E.Staal?

 

[Hobnobs]

can you explain how brown is garbage? again, he is better than 50% of minnesotas current forwards, and if they trade some of their better forwards at the TDL (Staal, Coyle. Grandlund, Zucker) he might be close to top 5 in points for forwards in minnesota.

Because hes a regressing forward, thats why. His current trend is AHL player in two years.

 

[IceBoxHockey]

Speculation: - 2018-19 NHL Lines Thread (as of Feb. 14th '19 @ 9:00am)
someone better tell HFBoards that they are wrong then because they have Greenway playing 1st Line RW

but I can also list the other players brown is better than if you want

Connor Brown - 19 Points


Jordan Greenway - 17 Points
Marcus Foligno - 15 Points
Luke Kunin - 12 Points
Eric Fehr - 10 Points
Joel Eriksson-Ek - 10 Points
Victor Rask - 2 Points
Matt Hendricks - 2 Points

aka, everyone in your bottom 6 and, according to HFBoards, your 1st line RW.

Brown may have a couple more points than these players, but I’d take Greenway, Kunin, and Ek over Brown quite easily when factoring in age. Greenway has almost double the goals of Brown.

If we trade away forwards I hope it means more ice time for those three.

 

[LucicAndChong]

Is HFBoards a reliable source now?

When healthy, our right wingers are Granlund, Coyle and Kunin. And no, he isn’t better than any of them.

I mean I would hope so, and even if I am wrong, Greenway plays in your top 6 and brown has more points than him

*edit
I wont change the fact that I am wrong in my initial post because well, I was wrong, but I would like to say for all those who will see this in the future, the only two sites I could find the wilds lineup on (DailyFaceoff and the HFBoards Lines thread) had him listed at either 1st RW or 2nd LW on 02/14/2019, so pardon my mistake.

 

[LucicAndChong]

Because hes a regressing forward, thats why. His current trend is AHL player in two years.

based on?

 

[LucicAndChong]

Brown may have a couple more points than these players, but I’d take Greenway, Kunin, and Ek over Brown quite easily when factoring in age. Greenway has almost double the goals of Brown.

I get that I was just making a point that even playing on the 3rd/4th line for 90% of the time brown has more points than these guys and is in no way a garbage player. I would take those guys over brown too, I was just trying to show he isnt a garbage player

 

[IceBoxHockey]

I mean I would hope so, and even if I am wrong, Greenway plays in your top 6 and brown has more points than him

Greenway is averaging 13 minutes a night. Brown is averaging over 14. One plays on a offensive power house, the other is on a team struggling to find the net.

 

[IceBoxHockey]

I get that I was just making a point that even playing on the 3rd/4th line for 90% of the time brown has more points than these guys and is in no way a garbage player. I would take those guys over brown too, I was just trying to show he isnt a garbage player

Brown isn’t bad at all, he’s a fine bottom-6 player, but you’re just trying to sell him to the wrong team.

 

[2Pair]

I mean I would hope so, and even if I am wrong, Greenway plays in your top 6 and brown has more points than him

Keep going, your knowledge of the Wild is astounding.

 

[LucicAndChong]

Greenway is averaging 12 minutes a night. That doesn’t scream top-6 minutes.

Keep going, your knowledge of the Wild is astounding.

the 2 places that I could find the wilds lineup had him at either 1st RW or 2nd LW so my apologies

 

[LucicAndChong]

Brown isn’t bad at all, he’s a fine bottom-6 player, but you’re just trying to sell him to the wrong team.

I just want to re-iterate I havent been trying to sell him, Im just trying to show he isnt a garbage player like other MIN fans are saying, and I also only added him in the trade because I thought that if MIN is selling off their forwards, they might need more Mid/Bottom 6 players to fill out their roster until their prospects are ready to make the jump to the bigs

 

[rynryn]

all this Brown is a great player talk has me longing for the days when JVR was a leaf.

 

[DictatorTots427]

Cmon man. Bracco isn’t going to be a legit NHLer. You should know that if you watch him. Liljegren is not projected to be more than a #4-5 D as well if you watch him.

Ok I agree that it's not a good proposal but that's BS. Bracco is a boom or bust type but Liljegren has legit top pair potential.

 

[IceBoxHockey]

I just want to re-iterate I havent been trying to sell him, Im just trying to show he isnt a garbage player like other MIN fans are saying, and I also only added him in the trade because I thought that if MIN is selling off their forwards, they might need more Mid/Bottom 6 players to fill out their roster until their prospects are ready to make the jump to the bigs

If we traded someone from our top-6 I would like to think it would mean more minutes for Greenway, Kunin, and Ek. We can’t wait much longer for these guys to get top-6 minutes.

 

[Menzinger]

Cmon man. Bracco isn’t going to be a legit NHLer. You should know that if you watch him. Liljegren is not projected to be more than a #4-5 D as well if you watch him.

Liljegren is playing on an AHL team top pairing and is only 19, and Bracco is PPG at 21 years old.

You’re quite wrong on both accounts.

 

[LucicAndChong]

If we traded someone from our top-6 I would like to think it would mean more minutes for Greenway, Kunin, and Ek. We can’t wait much longer for these guys to get top-6 minutes.

Oh no I totally agree. Brown would just be there to fill out your bottom 6 so you dont have to call up players who arent ready.

 

[Drew311]

you dont think that a 21 Y/O playing at a PPG in the AHL will make the NHL?

I implore you to explain your reasoning behind that

It must be because Iowa is so flush with young talent that the Wild have no use for Bracco.

 

[MNRube]

I just want to re-iterate I havent been trying to sell him, Im just trying to show he isnt a garbage player like other MIN fans are saying, and I also only added him in the trade because I thought that if MIN is selling off their forwards, they might need more Mid/Bottom 6 players to fill out their roster until their prospects are ready to make the jump to the bigs

You arent wrong. It is just odd because Brown is a dime a dozen player. He'd be a nice fill in, sure. But you keep harping on him being one of our 5 best Forwards, which is utter B.S.

Lastly, literally the last thing the Wild as a franchise needs is a gritty bottom 6 winger. We just traded away Nino for peanuts because we have wings for days. Talking about his stats means nothing. Wild cant score this year. Nino is like PPg with Canes and was garbage for the Wild. Environment matters when it comes to production. Brown doesn't move the needle for anyone.

 

[Bazeek]

you seem to be more reasonable than the other people who have made that comment so I will ask you, why dont you think Bracco will make it in the NHL? Im not trying to be a d*** here just legit wondering what you see wrong with his playstyle that wouldnt translate to the bigs

I haven't watched him a lot beyond the WJC a few years ago, so I'm far from an expert. But I see scouts dinging his skating pretty often, and 5' 9" guys that don't skate well have an uphill battle in the NHL. Maybe he's the exception or, like Granlund, he manages to really improve his skating before making that jump. It's just not a bet I'd like to take if it cost anything substantial.

 

[MNRube]

Also, when you start adding pieces like Brown and Bracco to even out a deal its a sure sign its a bad offer.

Theoretically, Wild could have offered Coyle, 2 2nds, and Belpidio fpr Nylander. The value might add up to a Nylander, but you dont accept 4 quarters for a dollar. The dollar players are far too hard to find. Spurgeon and Nylander being the dollar pieces.

 

[CraigsList]

I would imagine Calgary would be very interested in E. Staal.

2019 1st + Mangiapane for E. Staal, 2020 3rd rounder added if the Flames re-sign him.

 

[LucicAndChong]

You arent wrong. It is just odd because Brown is a dime a dozen player. He'd be a nice fill in, sure. But you keep harping on him being one of our 5 best Forwards, which is utter B.S.

Lastly, literally the last thing the Wild as a franchise needs is a gritty bottom 6 winger. We just traded away Nino for peanuts because we have wings for days. Talking about his stats means nothing. Wild cant score this year. Nino is like PPg with Canes and was garbage for the Wild. Environment matters when it comes to production. Brown doesn't move the needle for anyone.

Sorry, I feel like a lot of people are seeing that "better than 50%" quote and taking it out of context. In no way do i think that Brown is better than greenway, kunin or ek, but I had a couple people telling me that brown was a garbage player, and I just wanted to show that that "garbage player" had more points than 50% of MINs current forward group. My apologies for any confusion there.

I haven't watched him a lot beyond the WJC a few years ago, so I'm far from an expert. But I see scouts dinging his skating pretty often, and 5' 9" guys that don't skate well have an uphill battle in the NHL. Maybe he's the exception or, like Granlund, he manages to really improve his skating before making that jump. It's just not a bet I'd like to take if it cost anything substantial.

I can see where youre coming from. I havent heard as much about his skating issues, but I have heard a bit so I can understand why you might be skeptical. And also, i think in the future of the NHL, shorter, smaller players are going to become more common because they usually have more speed and/or agility than bigger players, but again, I can see where you would have some concerns.

 

[Bazeek]

Whats the cost for Marcus Foligno?

This is a good question. He's overpaid, but he's also been surprisingly endearing this year. Or maybe that's just me. If someone offered a 2nd I wouldn't be surprised to see Fenton take it, but I'd be a little disappointed. Foligno's the sort of guy that could make a bad year watchable, and next year might be pretty bad.

 

[2Pair]

This is a good question. He's overpaid, but he's also been surprisingly endearing this year. Or maybe that's just me. If someone offered a 2nd I wouldn't be surprised to see Fenton take it, but I'd be a little disappointed. Foligno's the sort of guy that could make a bad year watchable, and next year might be pretty bad.

Done, in a heartbeat