Are the Toronto Maple Leafs Stanley Cup contenders?

[The90]

Voila.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I mean a few posts up I literally said they didn’t deserve to even beat Tampa. But yeah. Best team ever and all that. Another zinger Sasha

Weird that everyone agrees with me and not you but yeah

 

[NyQuil]

Interestingly, I would say no, absolutely not.

Not given the state of their defence, their team defence, and their goaltending. If anything, it's taken a step backwards from last year.

Paradoxically, I still think they might do better when no one expects anything from them.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Interestingly, I would say no, absolutely not.

Not given the state of their defence, their team defence, and their goaltending. If anything, it's taken a step backwards from last year.

Paradoxically, I still think they might do better when no one expects anything from them.

I think this is true also, they are under way too much pressure to perform and their core can’t handle pressure in the first place

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Literally none of this happened lol

Go look through all the stats and see who out chances who. They were heavily outchanced both against Toronto and Carolina.

Whatever metric you want too. Shots, high danger, slot etc. the winner chooses the narrative though. So here we are. Go ahead, have a look

The only metric that matters is the final score.

I watched every game of that series and remember it quite well. The truth is that Florida physically intimidated Toronto in the first period and after that it was only technically competitive as the series outcome was never seriously in doubt after that first period. Emotionally, the Leafs core folded like that cheap tent in the typhoon and went through the rest of the series with all the fire of a catch of dead fish on ice.

"Out-chanced" and $7 will get you a latte at Starbucks. It means nothing if you get dominated physically and emotionally.

 

[The90]

Weird that everyone agrees with me and not you but yeah

You made up something I didn’t say, pretended I said it, and are now pretending everyone agrees with what your counter argument to what I didn’t say lol. But, yeah. Indeed

The only metric that matters is the final score.

I watched every game of that series and remember it quite well. The truth is that Florida physically intimidated Toronto in the first period and after that it was only technically competitive as the series outcome was never seriously in doubt after that first period. Emotionally, the Leafs core folded like that cheap tent in the typhoon and went through the rest of the series with all the fire of a catch of dead fish on ice.

"Out-chanced" and $7 will get you a latte at Starbucks. It means nothing if you get dominated physically and emotionally.

Lol. Nah. They didn’t. Ultimately they absolutely didn’t get it done again. But unfortunately the leafs 100% out chanced Florida. You and a handful of others like to parrot out that you remember different etc. but it’s simply not a fact. Your feelings don’t operate in reality.

 

[NyQuil]

I think this is true also, they are under way too much pressure to perform and their core can’t handle pressure in the first place

The challenge is to remain an underdog through 4 rounds.

I'm not sure if the Toronto fish bowl would ever allow that.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

You made up something I didn’t say, pretended I said it, and are now pretending everyone agrees with what your counter argument to what I didn’t say lol. But, yeah. Indeed


Lol. Nah. They didn’t. Ultimately they absolutely didn’t get it done again. But unfortunately the leafs 100% out chanced Florida. You and a handful of others like to parrot out that you remember different etc. but it’s simply not a fact. Your feelings don’t operate in reality.

Here you are again saying the Leafs > Panthers and only lost because of luck/choking/hot goaltending lmfao

They’re the best man, they just lose because of whatever, can’t be because they’re not that good a team

 

[VivaLasVegas]

You made up something I didn’t say, pretended I said it, and are now pretending everyone agrees with what your counter argument to what I didn’t say lol. But, yeah. Indeed


Lol. Nah. They didn’t. Ultimately they absolutely didn’t get it done again. But unfortunately the leafs 100% out chanced Florida. You and a handful of others like to parrot out that you remember different etc. but it’s simply not a fact. Your feelings don’t operate in reality.

I'll trust my clear memory of that series over the post facto bullshit spin attempted to be put on it now.

 

[The90]

I'll trust my clear memory of that series over the post facto bullshit spin attempted to be put on it now.

It’s literally done in real time. There’s no post facto other than what you’re literally doing because it doesn’t match up with what you want it to lol

 

[The90]

Here you are again saying the Leafs > Panthers and only lost because of luck/choking/hot goaltending lmfao

They’re the best man, they just lose because of whatever, can’t be because they’re not that good a team

I’m literally not saying that. What I’m saying is that the nonsense the Florida fan tried to put out, was incorrect and provided the evidence to back it up. Proof hurts ego’s around this place, though.

 

[PaulD]

They need to get a zamboni driver between the pipes.
If they make that upgrade......atleast they increase their chances

 

[VivaLasVegas]

It’s literally done in real time. There’s no post facto other than what you’re literally doing because it doesn’t match up with what you want it to lol

Says the person who thinks that "out-chancing" an opponent is more important than winning, or even not being totally blown out 4-1.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Voila.

So the Leafs had 8 more HDCF all series when 5 on 5 and that's what you're piping about?

The 5 on 5 HDCF and shots were basically back and forth until game 5 for obvious reasons.
The Leafs were down 2-0 in an elimination game.

Panthers led game 1 and 5 by 2 goals, they won both games.

The Leafs led game 2 and 4 by 2 goals, they only won game 4.

Game 3 was TOR, FLA, TOR, FLA, FLA.

The Leafs could only close out 1 game where they had double digit lead(s) and never came back in any game FLA led.
FLA led 2 games, closed them out and came back in 3 of them. They wanted it more.
FLA had more goals directly around the net and in the slot. Look at the heat maps.

FLA actually had the slight edge in CF% all series when 5 on 5.

 

[The90]

Says the person who thinks that "out-chancing" an opponent is more important than winning, or even not being totally blown out 4-1.

Again, I never said that. What I did do is refute the bs argument that the Florida fan made, as well as whatever you’re trying to make here. The facts don’t match up with your feelings and you can’t accept that. Ultimately they lost. But Bob was largely the reason they lost. The leafs don’t, and never have had, a stud like that.

That also doesn’t mean that Florida is light years better, they aren’t. They also didn’t deserve to beat Carolina in 4.

So the Leafs had 8 more HDCF all series when 5 on 5 and that's what you're piping about?

The 5 on 5 HDCF and shots were basically back and forth until game 5 for obvious reasons.
The Leafs were down 2-0 in an elimination game.

Panthers led game 1 and 5 by 2 goals, they won both games.

The Leafs led game 2 and 4 by 2 goals, they only won game 4.

Game 3 was TOR, FLA, TOR, FLA, FLA.

The Leafs could only close out 1 game where they had double digit lead(s) and never came back in any game FLA led.
FLA led 2 games, closed them out and came back in 3 of them. They wanted it more.
FLA had more goals directly around the net and in the slot. Look at the heat maps.

FLA actually had the slight edge in CF% all series when 5 on 5.

Lol. I can just picture your anger when writing this. Classic. If up is down and down is up and I rework the stats into little packages that match my feelings, here’s what happened.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Again, I never said that. What I did do is refute the bs argument that the Florida fan made, as well as whatever you’re trying to make here. The facts don’t match up with your feelings and you can’t accept that. Ultimately they lost. But Bob was largely the reason they lost. The leafs don’t, and never have had, a stud like that.

That also doesn’t mean that Florida is light years better, they aren’t. They also didn’t deserve to beat Carolina in 4.


Lol. I can just picture your anger when writing this. Classic.

Anger? We're all laughing at you...
You "expected" to beat Florida and Leafs "deserved" to win because they had 8 more HDCF....

My fave part about the series was Florida eliminating them in the Mecca of the hockey world.

 

[The90]

Anger? We're all laughing at you...
You "expected" to beat Florida and Leafs "deserved" to win because they had 8 more HDCF....

My fave part about the series was Florida eliminating them in the Mecca of the hockey world.

I didn’t expect them to beat anyone. I thought they played brutal down the stretch after the deadline and were terrible in the Tampa series. But here you are baby, putting words into my mouth! You have this massive victim complex telling all leaf fans how we felt because you’re so emotionally invested in how Toronto does, being from Toronto and a Florida fan (lol), especially against Florida. It’s weird stuff.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I didn’t expect them to beat anyone. I thought they played brutal down the stretch after the deadline and were terrible in the Tampa series. But here you are baby, putting words into my mouth! You have this massive victim complex telling all leaf fans how we felt because you’re so emotionally invested in how Toronto does, especially against Florida. It’s weird stuff.

When I said Florida was better than Toronto 3 years ago and a bunch of your fans had a meltdown, ya it felt good to give it (FLA winning) back to the most vocal of the group.

You always say people are upset, angry, triggered, etc when you lose an argument.
The same routine over and over and we're all doing a victim complex when I just want to stick to the facts as usual.

 

[Ratsreign]

the more you spit out of your mouth
the less I believe

 

[WetcoastOrca]

‘We want Florida!’

Still cracks me up.

 

[The90]

When I said Florida was better than Toronto 3 years ago and a bunch of your fans had a meltdown, ya it felt good to rub it in the most vocal of the group.

You always say people are upset, angry, triggered, etc when you lose an argument.
The same routine over and over and we're all doing a victim complex when I just want to stick to the facts as usual.

Well you are. It’s not wrong. You can literally see it in every post you make about the leafs. Look at your bio man. There’s no reasoning with that. You dared me to post the stats, where I showed you I was correct, you needed to break it down into minor sections, pull up 1 micro stat and yell ‘nuh uh’ as an argument. There’s no reasoning with an unreasonable person. You’ve tried 3-4 times in the last hour alone to put words in my mouth as if I’ve said the leafs are some world beating team. They’re not. Period. But they also weren’t dominated and somehow you can’t accept that lol

 

[The90]

‘We want Florida!’

Still cracks me up.

I liked the Canuck fans chants last playoffs. They were nice.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

If the Nylander signing is true - I think they’re in even worse shape for winning a cup going forward.

Trade him and get some amazing assets in the off season!!!

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Well you are. It’s not wrong. You can literally see it in every post you make about the leafs. Look at your bio man. There’s no reasoning with that. You dared me to post the stats, where I showed you I was correct, you needed to break it down into minor sections, pull up 1 micro stat and yell ‘nuh uh’ as an argument. There’s no reasoning with an unreasonable person. You’ve tried 3-4 times in the last hour alone to put words in my mouth as if I’ve said the leafs are some world beating team. They’re not. Period. But they also weren’t dominated and somehow you can’t accept that lol

I told you how Panthers were able to hold leads or come back from down a goal or two. Won 3 of 3 in TOR. Pushed them around physically. Among other things a team does.

You showed us the Leafs were "expected to win" because HDCF was +8 for the Leafs. Some of those stats showing FLA dominated though.
And then you talk about my feelings.

 

[The90]

I told you how Panthers were able to hold leads or come back from down a goal or two. Won 3 of 4 in TOR. Pushed them around physically. Among other things a team does.

You showed us the Leafs were "expected to win" because HDCF was +8 for the Leafs. Some of those stats showing FLA dominated though.
And then you talk about my feelings.

No. That’s the single stat you nit picked out of literally dozens of stats. Almost All of which (aside from saves) Florida was behind on.

Hits, physicality durr durr playing the right way lol right on impatient. Another weak point. Everyone bow down to the average wildcard team that is the Florida panthers. Or don’t.