Are the Jets Canada’s Best Hope to Break the Cup Jinx?

[PaulD]

November means nothing .

March will tell us which teams are legit contenders. How they are playing in March.

Number of serious contenders in Canada last March .......
zero.

 

[Xirik]

Sorry. I should have said they are a points challenged team instead of saying they suck.

Its okay. Just be better.

 

[gojetsgo]

As a Jets fan who loves our current success, this happened to us early last year and we almost missed the playoffs.

But I'll wait until around the deadline to go Jesse Pollock.

All that to say, as we are going well right now it's because we got rid of Wheeler and Dubois. I think the contracts might have put Hellebuyck and Scheifele down to earth considering no teams except Winnipeg were willing to give them the money they expected. Also giving Lowry the C and not Scheifele seemed to put him in line considering everybody, including myself, thought he would wear it after Wheeler. Both Connor's have been our MVPs thus far though.

the difference between this year and last is that we actually have the depth to sustain this when our top guys go into a slump, last year when we got into the slump it put way to much pressure on our top end guys to do all the scoring, now that we have 3 good lines there won't be so much pressure on them to do all the scoring

 

[WetcoastOrca]

November means nothing .

March will tell us which teams are legit contenders. How they are playing in March.

Number of serious contenders in Canada last March .......
zero.

Agreed. It’s still too early.
For the record I don’t see any of the Canadian teams as serious contenders but at this point the Canucks and Jets look the best. A lot can change though.

Its okay. Just be better.

Likewise.

 

[MardyBum]

If Canucks add to their D on deadline day, they are better than Jets. They have a very underrated bottom 6 which many people here think is weak

Canucks bottom 6:
Beauvillier-Suter-Garland
Joshua-Blueger-Hoglander
Aman, Lafferty, Studenika, Podkolzin, Bains

Many people here are sleeping on the Canucks bottom 6 but I see a huge potential with some breaking out this season like Hoglander and Joshua. Beauvillier and Garland have skills, as streaky as they may be, they can do a lot of damage when they are on. Lafferty, Suter and Blueger are very underrated vets and are good in faceoffs. Then there is the top 10 pick Podkolzin who will be getting better and Bains.

I can count 11 to 12 players that could easily play on the bottom 6 of Canucks and they are all NHL caliber.


You sound too ignorant so let's just leave it at that. The Canucks are higher in standing than the devil's for a reason

And on the flipside, the Jets will be getting back Vilardi who's played all of 3 games and can just add to their F group at the deadline.

Again, they seem to simply have the Jets where they are at cup odds because of where they have them currently projected to finish.

Every place has a different model in regards to where teams are projected to finish.

 

[majormajor]

Lowry, Appleton, and Neiderreiter scoring at a topline pace is very unlikely to last long. These aren't top young talents breaking out, we know who they are. Should be a good veteran line.

They'll need to get Vilardi back and scoring and get Ehlers scoring more consistently, because the rest of the depth won't keep this up.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Hilario isn’t playing and Kupari doesn’t seem to be doing much. Iafallo has four goals? I’m not seeing the impact from those players? I can agree that just getting rid of PLD and Wheeler was addition by subtraction. To me that has more to do with the nice bounce back season for WPG than the PLD return.

You havnt been paying attention or actually watching the Jets yet this year. Sometimes addition by subtraction is the biggest benefit in a trade and thats certainly been the case with shipping out PLD. Wheeler as well for that matter.

 

[MardyBum]

Lowry, Appleton, and Neiderreiter scoring at a topline pace is very unlikely to last long. These aren't top young talents breaking out, we know who they are. Should be a good veteran line.

They'll need to get Vilardi back and scoring and get Ehlers scoring more consistently, because the rest of the depth won't keep this up.

They'll have a good chance to continue a good rate of production if they continue to dominate their matchups like they have been. Having the puck and getting more chances leads to more points. They also get more ice time than the Ehlers line so technically they're the second line lol.

Ehlers missed the entire preseason with a neck injury. I think he had 2 assists in his first 6 games. 9 points in his last 13. He's back up to game speed now.

Not that I agree at all with the OP's obvious bait thread, but the Jets are deeper and better defensively than they were last year.

-PLD
-Wheeler

+Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari
+Nino
+Namestnikov

Much better defense. Last year we had Karson Kuhlman and others playing up the lineup.

Let's not get into the *intangibles* of some of the subtractions and change in leadership, but it's different.

The PP/PK worries me the most on this team.

 

[Devonator]

Along with the Canucks, the Jets certainly have been a pleasant surprise.....they look solid right now....

 

[Guffman]

So are we just assuming that it was all Dubois fault that the Jets had committment issues last year and were so uncaring that their Coach ripped them a new one during a presser?

The Jets swoon coincided with Dubois’ swoon. In the playoffs, especially game 5, Dubois’ low effort was incredibly disgusting. He finished in the bottom 6 of our elimination game. Having brooding Wheeler, who was stripped of his C, was also not helpful. Jets went into this season with five different forwards than they started with last season. It was a significant change.

 

[Guffman]

OP, no way, too early to consider that. Jets are doing very well, media doesn't even mention them but thats normal. Jets having a very good season, players doing well and the biggest return from the PLD trade has barely played so its only going to get better when he returns. Not to mention the HD coach missing a big chunk of the season due to his wife illness and he just returned. This summer's talk by many about the Jets being dumb to not rebuild I guess those people were all wrong and the Jets were right and are killing it.

At this stage of the season, I don't think of any team as a favorite to win the cup far too many things can happen through a season. Just happy they are doing extremely well and hope it continues.

Just to clarify, the thread intent is to discuss which Canadian team has the best shot at winning the Stanley Cup this year. Already, some Canadian teams have shown that they are not ready to compete this year (Calgary, Ottawa, Montreal and barring a miracle, Edmonton).

If you tossing down a fiver, who do you think has the best shot out of Vancouver, Winnipeg or Toronto?

 

[Miro4Norris]

Absolutely not lol. No Canadian team is a real threat now

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

How are the Jets a better bet to win a title than the Canucks?

 

[Guffman]

Not that I agree at all with the OP's obvious bait thread, but the Jets are deeper and better defensively than they were last year.

I stated the case for the Jets but then asked, “Are the Winnipeg Jets Canada’s best hope of ending the Stanley Cup drought?”

People don’t have to agree with me and can make a case for Vancouver or Toronto. Who am I baiting lol? This can be a reasonable discussion but too many people missed out on the purpose.

 

[Hunter368]

Just to clarify, the thread intent is to discuss which Canadian team has the best shot at winning the Stanley Cup this year. Already, so,e Canadian teams have shown that they are not ready to compete this year (Calgary, Ottawa, Montreal and barring a miracle, Edmonton).

If you tossing down a fiver, who do you think has the best shot out of Vancouver, Winnipeg or Toronto?

Tough one, let me just say I don't think any Canadian teams this year so far anyways are a top favorite and any perceived top favorites can easily fall off during the reg season or during the playoffs. Certainly those three are the top three teams in Canada at this stage no doubt, but still very early to make bets IMO. At this stage I don't see a Canadian team winning the cup this year. That being said those three Canadian teams are better then many American teams and rest of the Canadian teams.......again at this stage.

 

[jackjohnson]

Absolutely not lol. No Canadian team is a real threat now

Like they had a threat before? Let me guess? Oilers?

I didn't even have Oilers as a cup favourite or a threat last year.

 

[Brookbank]

I was impressed with the Jets in 2022 and thought they were built for playoffs. I still think they are

 

[Chet Manley]

Too early to tell, but it sure looks like they got rid of whichever player(s) were dragging the whole team down in the spring.

 

[Guffman]

How are the Jets a better bet to win a title than the Canucks?

Looking at the MoneyPuck projections, the Jets are 97.2% likely to make the playoffs and the Canucks sit at 81.6%. That starting discrepancy is what is largely skewing the Cup odds for each team.

When the Jets have bad divisional rivals like St Louis, Nashville, Arizona and Chicago, it’s understandable that the Jets are projected so high to make the playoffs. I also read that the Jets have the fourth easiest schedule left. I guess Seattle, Calgary and Edmonton provide a bigger relative threat to Vancouver’s playoff chances.

It’s also interesting that each playoff round, Vancouver is projected to wins less than 50% of the time and the Jets are above 50%. Somehow, that all filters down to the big disparity in SC probability.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Are the Winnipeg Jets Canada’s best hope of ending the Stanley Cup drought?

I don't think their defense is deep enough for a serious cup run. Might win a round or two under the right circumstances. I gladly get proven wrong though. It would be cool if the Jets won the cup.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

Looking at the MoneyPuck projections, the Jets are 97.2% likely to make the playoffs and the Canucks sit at 81.6%. That starting discrepancy is what is largely skewing the Cup odds for each team.

When the Jets have bad divisional rivals like St Louis, Nashville, Arizona and Chicago, it’s understandable that the Jets are projected so high to make the playoffs. I also read that the Jets have the fourth easiest schedule left. I guess Seattle, Calgary and Edmonton provide a bigger relative threat to Vancouver’s playoff chances.

It’s also interesting that each playoff round, Vancouver is projected to wins less than 50% of the time and the Jets are above 50%. Somehow, that all filters down to the big disparity in SC probability.

Vancouver has the presumptive Norris winner, two other Hart candidate forwards, and a goalie who’ll probably get a Vezina nomination.

I don’t doubt the Jets are quality, but you only run into teams with more superstars the deeper you go, not less.

By the time you get to round 4, it’s nearly impossible to beat a team who outnumbers you in the superstar department.

 

[apollo18]

Petey > Schiefele
Miller >> Namestnikov
Suter < Lowry
Blueger = Gustaffsson
Mikheyev < <Connor
Digueseppe < Perfetti
Beauvillier =Nedereitter
Lafferty = Barron
Kuzmenko > Iafallo
Boeser = Ehlers
Garland = Appleton
Hoglander > Fjallby

Forward group v similar but ploffs are heavily dependant on good centres and canucks def take the cake here

Defense:
Hughes > Morrissey
Hronek > Demelo
Soucy = Dillon
Myers < Pionk
Cole < Schmidt
Friedman = Samberg

Canucks better top end, WPG better bottom end for D


Goalies basically equal

Any edits?

 

[Jetcetera]

Petey > Schiefele
Miller >> Namestnikov
Suter < Lowry
Blueger = Gustaffsson
Mikheyev < <Connor
Digueseppe < Perfetti
Beauvillier =Nedereitter
Lafferty = Barron
Kuzmenko > Iafallo
Boeser = Ehlers
Garland = Appleton
Hoglander > Fjallby

Forward group v similar but ploffs are heavily dependant on good centres and canucks def take the cake here

Defense:
Hughes > Morrissey
Hronek > Demelo
Soucy = Dillon
Myers < Pionk
Cole < Schmidt
Friedman = Samberg

Canucks better top end, WPG better bottom end for D


Goalies basically equal

Any edits?

Hughes is not good in his own end

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Hughes is not good in his own end

We found the guy who goes to bed before the West Coast games start!

 

[Guffman]

Vancouver has the presumptive Norris winner, two other Hart candidate forwards, and a goalie who’ll probably get a Vezina nomination.

I don’t doubt the Jets are quality, but you only run into teams with more superstars the deeper you go, not less.

By the time you get to round 4, it’s nearly impossible to beat a team who outnumbers you in the superstar department.

The teams with the superstars don’t necessarily go all the way (and thank God for that to keep Leaf fans mildly humble). Vegas isn’t stuffed with superstars (Eichel led the team with 66 points) but they sure could bludgeon you rolling quality lines.

No doubt, Vancouver has had a hot start. They haven’t been to the playoffs for a few years and that can be a different animal.