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Are Nelson and Coyle rentals?

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SeanMoneyHands said:
Or do the Avs have the cap space to resign them this summer if they turn out to be a good fit with the club? I think they're both great pickups.
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Well Coyle is signed for next year so he's definitely not a rental.

Nelson I'd imagine the Avs will try to re sign based on how much they gave up to get him. We'll see if he wants to stay or not. If they do re sign him a few guys need to be sold off. Namely Colton and Wood. Maybe Manson too.
 
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SeanMoneyHands said:
Or do the Avs have the cap space to resign them this summer if they turn out to be a good fit with the club? I think they're both great pickups.
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Coyle is signed through next year, but if he struggles, I could see Cmac flipping him in the offseason. Nelson is a tougher one. We paid a lot for him, but he could absolutely make more in the open market and has no reason to give the Avs any sort of discount. Be it term or money. He's also going to be 34 next year. Signing an older player that should be regressing more than he has already, is very risky. In the end, I expect they will keep one, but not the other. Which though? I got no clue.
 
RoyIsALegend said:
They’ve played one game. Let’s wait and see.

Coyle is signed through next year and surely in the team’s plans.

If Nelson fits in well, I would imagine the team makes a strong effort to extend him.
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Yup. I still remember game one with kariya and selanne. Was such a wonderful game and hopes were sky high….. then the rest of the season happened :(

Loved the first game from the new guys, now go out and repeat it until we have 16 wins when it matters most.
 
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Well Coyle isn't a rental, he's for sure back.


They have plenty of cap space assuming Landeskog doesn't return(Which we'll see on that). But even with Landy back they can move a couple other guys to create the space to keep Nelson.

IMO Nelson is going to look amazing with the Avs and both sides will want to get a nice deal done.
 
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I have no doubts that Landy is coming back. I'm not sure for how many games but after watching that 45 minute interview with Keefe he is coming back for sure. The Avs and Landy are playing the cap game right now.

Is it allowed for him to get a few games in the AHL for conditioning just before the playoffs without counting against the cap?
 
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AllAboutAvs said:
Is it allowed for him to get a few games in the AHL for conditioning just before the playoffs without counting against the cap?
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Yes.

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  • Purpose of Conditioning Stints:
    These stints are designed for players who have been on LTIR (Long-Term Injured Reserve) to get some game action and work their way back to full playing form.

  • Duration:
    The conditioning loan can last for up to six days or three games, whichever comes first.

  • Waiver Rule:
    Players on LTIR conditioning loans do not need to pass through waivers to be sent to the AHL affiliate.

  • Extension:
    Teams can request an extension of two additional games beyond the initial conditioning stint, but this requires approval from the NHL Commissioner.

  • Example:
    The Maple Leafs recently sent Jani Hakanpää and Connor Dewar to the Marlies on LTIR conditioning loans.

  • Player Status:
    Players on LTIR conditioning loans remain on the NHL's LTIR list and do not count against the NHL roster or salary cap until they are deemed ready to return to play.
 
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Coyle is unfortunately our overpaid 3C next year, maybe 2C with how management has run things post cup.
 
RoyIsALegend said:
Yes.

--
  • Purpose of Conditioning Stints:
    These stints are designed for players who have been on LTIR (Long-Term Injured Reserve) to get some game action and work their way back to full playing form.

  • Duration:
    The conditioning loan can last for up to six days or three games, whichever comes first.

  • Waiver Rule:
    Players on LTIR conditioning loans do not need to pass through waivers to be sent to the AHL affiliate.

  • Extension:
    Teams can request an extension of two additional games beyond the initial conditioning stint, but this requires approval from the NHL Commissioner.

  • Example:
    The Maple Leafs recently sent Jani Hakanpää and Connor Dewar to the Marlies on LTIR conditioning loans.

  • Player Status:
    Players on LTIR conditioning loans remain on the NHL's LTIR list and do not count against the NHL roster or salary cap until they are deemed ready to return to play.
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Do you think it's realistic that Landeskog actually gets an AHL stint? It would truly suck for him to go through three years of rehab only to get injured again by some no-name AHL goon before he even pays for the Avs again.
 
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I would be quite surprised if the Avs didn't try to extend Nelson given how much they paid to acquire him and how long they've toiled away looking for a true 2C. Whether Nelson agrees to extend, that we're going to have to wait and see on.

As far as Coyle goes, I imagine he plays his two years here and that's it.
 
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Richard88 said:
Do you think it's realistic that Landeskog actually gets an AHL stint? It would truly suck for him to go through three years of rehab only to get injured again by some no-name AHL goon before he even pays for the Avs again.
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It would be good but good point. He needs to make his last lap with the NHL team.
 
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There was a report that said the Avs is where Nelson wanted to go to. With that in mind I'm positive that he'll sign here unless CMac wants to walk away after seeing his play.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
Well Coyle isn't a rental, he's for sure back.


They have plenty of cap space assuming Landeskog doesn't return(Which we'll see on that). But even with Landy back they can move a couple other guys to create the space to keep Nelson.

IMO Nelson is going to look amazing with the Avs and both sides will want to get a nice deal done.
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We were his first choice, he could have pushed to go to Minnesota now if he really wanted to, but he didn't.

If the rest of this year and playoffs goes like the first game. I bet they offer 6 years taking him to 40 trying to get the AAV to 6M. We already know he wants 5 years.

Three years from now good 3rd line centers are going to cost 6M.
 
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Seems like Nelson is potentially in a similar boat as Kadri after the 2021-22 season, except Nelson is older now than Kadri was then. The best case scenario happened, i.e. the Avs winning the Cup, but Kadri was in a position to seek possibly the last big contract of his career. Indications are term is one of the factors why Nelson didn't end up getting a new contract from the Islanders, and term was one of the biggest concerns for the Avs with Kadri, although now there is the benefit of a rising cap. Still it's a question whether the Avs would want to sign him into his late 30's, or whether Nelson would be more willing to sign for less term with the Avs than he wanted to get from the Islanders.
 
VikingAv said:
Woth the rising cap, I don't think 5 million for an upper echelon 3C (who can be an adequate 2C in injury situations) is an overpayment at all :dunno:
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Yeah, we just couldn't afford to keep Compher at rumored prices like 5.5M, and have had to run very cheap 3Cs.

I think that kind of thinking is done with.

Cmac will put a heavy priority on center depth over any big winger contract IMO.
 
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Coyle isn't due to the contract. Nelson also no.

Avalanche traded 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and two prospects for two 33-year-olds. They're playing for now and next season. Trying to galaxy brain 2C again is going to close the window.
 
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