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politics are allowed absolutley everywhere, it just comes down to whether or not your politics fall within the acceptable range of uncontroversial public consensus.
 
statswatcher said:
politics are allowed absolutley everywhere, it just comes down to whether or not your politics fall within the acceptable range of uncontroversial public consensus.
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They should’ve kept the politics subforum open but shut it down for some dumb reason. I’d rather not see it in this Hawks sub at all though. Politics is already everywhere it’s nice not to see it here
 
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x Tame Impala said:
They should’ve kept the politics subforum open but shut it down for some dumb reason. I’d rather not see it in this Hawks sub at all though. Politics is already everywhere it’s nice not to see it here
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i can understand that, but, from where i'm sitting, "apolitical" spaces are a myth. it's everywhere, including here, because it is the air we breathe. i see it constantly, but i also understand that the rule isn't really "no politics" but rather "no *explicit* and *controversial* political discussion". just look at how many posts to the effect of "people who complain about the competitive advantage offered to some teams by state tax rates should advocate to destroy the tax base of their own state for the benefit of attracting better hockey players" go up on this place and question why that form of political rhetoric is contextually acceptable whereas other forms are not.
 
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x Tame Impala said:
They should’ve kept the politics subforum open but shut it down for some dumb reason. I’d rather not see it in this Hawks sub at all though. Politics is already everywhere it’s nice not to see it here
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Aside from local news when cooking dinner I’ve basically just cut politics out of my life the last 2 months now. It’s been quite nice.
 
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statswatcher said:
i can understand that, but, from where i'm sitting, "apolitical" spaces are a myth. it's everywhere, including here, because it is the air we breathe. i see it constantly, but i also understand that the rule isn't really "no politics" but rather "no *explicit* and *controversial* political discussion". just look at how many posts to the effect of "people who complain about the competitive advantage offered to some teams by state tax rates should advocate to destroy the tax base of their own state for the benefit of attracting better hockey players" go up on this place and question why that form of political rhetoric is contextually acceptable whereas other forms are not.
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You’re just choosing not to accept the difference. I’ve been in all of those threads for years and it’s usually just a throwaway comment about Canada’s tax code. It’s not a lengthy discussion about that in particular.

If politics is already everywhere then you should have no problem finding other places to talk about it.
 
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Aside from local news when cooking dinner I’ve basically just cut politics out of my life the last 2 months now. It’s been quite nice.
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Which itself comes at a cost too, making things difficult. Do I want to stop obsessing over every single thing wrong with the world and live me life in peace? We’ve also got a duty as citizens of the free world to be informed and keep our governance in check.
 
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Which itself comes at a cost too, making things difficult. Do I want to stop obsessing over every single thing wrong with the world and live me life in peace? We’ve also got a duty as citizens of the free world to be informed and keep our governance in check.
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Yeah I hear you, and I won’t cut it out forever.

But I just started a new job a month and a half ago and have a 5 month old.

I just don’t have the time or interest for all that negativity in my life right now, especially considering my wife and I do very well financially. All our investments are just going to be sitting in their accounts regardless of what happens with everything right now.
 
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Deputy McRizzy said:
Yeah I hear you, and I won’t cut it out forever.

But I just started a new job a month and a half ago and have a 5 month old.

I just don’t have the time or interest for all that negativity in my life right now, especially considering my wife and I do very well financially. All our investments are just going to be sitting in their accounts regardless of what happens with everything right now.
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Congratulations on the baby! My wife and I have a 6 month old at home ourselves
 
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x Tame Impala said:
Congratulations on the baby! My wife and I have a 6 month old at home ourselves
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Hope yours is going as well as ours. Maybe my expectations were below rock bottom but it hasn’t been as difficult as either of us were expecting, to be honest.

Or maybe he’s just an amazing little dude. Or both.
 
x Tame Impala said:
You’re just choosing not to accept the difference.
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i see no difference where you do because we are approaching the issue from very divergent perspectives.
x Tame Impala said:
I’ve been in all of those threads for years and it’s usually just a throwaway comment about Canada’s tax code. It’s not a lengthy discussion about that in particular.
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yeah so it's exactly as i said. "politics" as such is not banned. politics that reads as "political" to the average politically orthodox citizen is.
x Tame Impala said:
If politics is already everywhere then you should have no problem finding other places to talk about it.
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you are missing the point just to be combative. i'm not lobbying for anything here. the website can have its insincere and inconsistently enforced rule if it wants. it isn't unique, and as you say i certainly have better places to talk about trade policy. wasn't even me complaining about the tariff post being taken down. point i'm trying to make is that attempts to enforce "apolitical" mores in public forums fail because social life today is inescapably political in virtually every facet. it's essentially a social form of neurotic repression that only reinforces orthodox status quo political positions by selectively placing them outside of the acceptable universe of correspondence.

and just to stress again, i say this all with absolutley no intention of trying to convince anyone to let me post a paper about the influence of the buchanan administration on the peruvian gum tree trade or whatever. i just figured that since the meta-topic of this particular site policy was broached, i'd share how i think about it.
 
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Deputy McRizzy said:
Hope yours is going as well as ours. Maybe my expectations were below rock bottom but it hasn’t been as difficult as either of us were expecting, to be honest.

Or maybe he’s just an amazing little dude. Or both.
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It's both. I'm angry at all these parents making it out to seem so difficult or demanding or draining or whatever. If you're blessed with a healthy child and you want to be a parent then it's really not that bad. Less free time to do things with my friends, read, play videogames, work out, etc...but the tradeoff is amazing.

I think some parents enjoy projecting out their difficulties on purpose. For what reason I'll never understand.
 
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x Tame Impala said:
It's both. I'm angry at all these parents making it out to seem so difficult or demanding or draining or whatever. If you're blessed with a healthy child and you want to be a parent then it's really not that bad. Less free time to do things with my friends, read, play videogames, work out, etc...but the tradeoff is amazing.

I think some parents enjoy projecting out their difficulties on purpose. For what reason I'll never understand.
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Yeah I hear you there. We have already gotten our guy acclimated to traveling (as much as we can so far) and more or less keeping up with our lives the way they were before. Been pretty seamless really.

Time will tell if it lasts.
 
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x Tame Impala said:
It's both. I'm angry at all these parents making it out to seem so difficult or demanding or draining or whatever. If you're blessed with a healthy child and you want to be a parent then it's really not that bad. Less free time to do things with my friends, read, play videogames, work out, etc...but the tradeoff is amazing.

I think some parents enjoy projecting out their difficulties on purpose. For what reason I'll never understand.
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That's because most people in our society are too selfish and self-centered to have children, and end up resenting them. So they make it seem more difficult and demanding with cognitive dissonance, to justify that feeling in their heads.

We also encourage limitless greed, so parents having to work less to raise children and make financial sacrifices for them short circuits people's brains.

Hopefully this isn't too political to post here.
 
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statswatcher said:
i see no difference where you do because we are approaching the issue from very divergent perspectives.

yeah so it's exactly as i said. "politics" as such is not banned. politics that reads as "political" to the average politically orthodox citizen is.

you are missing the point just to be combative. i'm not lobbying for anything here. the website can have its insincere and inconsistently enforced rule if it wants. it isn't unique, and as you say i certainly have better places to talk about trade policy. wasn't even me complaining about the tariff post being taken down. point i'm trying to make is that attempts to enforce "apolitical" mores in public forums fail because social life today is inescapably political in virtually every facet. it's essentially a social form of neurotic repression that only reinforces orthodox status quo political positions by selectively placing them outside of the acceptable universe of correspondence.

and just to stress again, i say this all with absolutley no intention of trying to convince anyone to let me post a paper about the influence of the buchanan administration on the peruvian gum tree trade or whatever. i just figured that since the meta-topic of this particular site policy was broached, i'd share how i think about it.
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No politics basically means don't post anything that'll turn a hockey forum into an AOL95 cess pool. You've got volunteer mods policing this and every other board. Of course it's going to be inconsistent. Hell actual legal systems grant judges some autonomy in the enforcement of laws.
 
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DisgruntledHawkFan said:
No politics basically means don't post anything that'll turn a hockey forum into an AOL95 cess pool. You've got volunteer mods policing this and every other board. Of course it's going to be inconsistent. Hell actual legal systems grant judges some autonomy in the enforcement of laws.
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i've modded a site before. i know how this goes. you've got a bunch of volunteers who don't want to have to wade through mountains of off topic flaming, and that's what "politics" brings. this isn’t a mystery to me. it's pretty straightforward, and i had everything you've said here in mind when i wrote the above critique. again, the biggest issue to me is that by dissallowing the "political" in this way, all you really do is create a space that rewards people for having and expressing political opinions that read as uncontroversial to normal depoliticized users, and disincentivizes critical interrogation of the same opinions (because that would be "making things political" whereas that which is responded to is waved away as "a throwaway comment"). it might save you guys some mod work, which is whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that the rule doesn't actually do what it sets out to do on the tin. just means it serves some vested interest that is laundered and sold to gullible people who lack any significant political education in the name of mythical apoliticality.

edit: for an example of the exact kind of gullible person i am referring to here, see the first person to laugh react without responding to the substance of this post.
 
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If people just all agreed with me politically, we wouldn't have to have the topic of political discussion banned here. And there would be so much good in the world.

But you f***ing people had to have your own opinion on things. Jerks.
 
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