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World Cup: Anyone else think the Pools are rigged?

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Warehammer said:
So? If they want to make it past TNA, they'll have to beat 'em. Those teams aren't entitled to advancing just because they're representing a single nation.

I think when it comes to the World Cup of Hockey, a lot of folks are focusing on the term "World" and not "Hockey". What about the NA and EU teams is really so bad? Gives a forum to the players that wouldn't be able to be in this tourney otherwise.

The travesty.
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I think you misunderstood or I explained it badly. I just meant Russia, Finland and Sweden are big nations in hockey and U23 very well could be partially responsible for knocking 2 of them out and there's nothing wrong with that. If that happens and Finland will be eliminated I'll probably root for Young Guns afterwards.

Many say bad things about Team Europe and Team NA that they are gimmick etc. I kinda think they are cool teams, but what I'm not OK with is that it's on the expense of Slovakia and Switzerland who'd probably be playing instead of them and then it would be a one nation tournament only. So I got mixed feelings about the whole thing and I do understand it's not the Olympics, but I do rate this as an Olympic level tournament though...
 
The pools are rigged to ensure that the North American teams, Canada and the United States, go through to the Semifinal round. You can't blame the NHL for that. The NHL is a North American league targeting North American audiences. They don't want to see Finland vs. Sweden in the Final Round. Competitive balance and fairness don't apply to these kinds of summer exhibition beach tournaments.
 
Yakushev72 said:
The pools are rigged to ensure that the North American teams, Canada and the United States, go through to the Semifinal round. You can't blame the NHL for that. The NHL is a North American league targeting North American audiences. They don't want to see Finland vs. Sweden in the Final Round. Competitive balance and fairness don't apply to these kinds of summer exhibition beach tournaments.
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When you're right Yak, you're right.
 
Yakushev72 said:
The pools are rigged to ensure that the North American teams, Canada and the United States, go through to the Semifinal round. You can't blame the NHL for that. The NHL is a North American league targeting North American audiences. They don't want to see Finland vs. Sweden in the Final Round. Competitive balance and fairness don't apply to these kinds of summer exhibition beach tournaments.
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Well how do the knockout rounds even work? If both Canada and US lose their knockout games (assuming the both advance), it doesn't matter who makes it to the finals.
 
why are so many on here selling the Czechs short? They have played two tough games against Russia and split them, 1 each and now beat the youngins. Hard to argue that one group is any tougher then the other
 
Yakushev72 said:
The pools are rigged to ensure that the North American teams, Canada and the United States, go through to the Semifinal round. You can't blame the NHL for that. The NHL is a North American league targeting North American audiences. They don't want to see Finland vs. Sweden in the Final Round. Competitive balance and fairness don't apply to these kinds of summer exhibition beach tournaments.
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there are two different things that you are mingling. One, does the nhl PREFER a favourable match up that will have the highest eyeballs watching. Of Course, just like every league in every sport in every country in the world. Does the NFL prefer a cowboys steelers match up over browns lions, most definitely. Does the NBA prefer lakers Celtics over nuggets bucks, of course they do. Does Fifa prefer Brazil Germany final over Uruguay Denmark, yes of course they do.

But just because the leagues prefers something, doesn't mean any rigging is done to achieve such a result. You have yet to show that the Czech's are any weaker then Russia who they have played to a split and beat the NA. Why is the Czechs weaker then Finland? The two divisions seem equal by all actual play so far and in fact, having the two strongest teams in one group is a hinderance as any one loss to the other in the usa Canada game and a loss to the Czechs, who have beaten Russia and NA, and they are out
 
hitmen19 said:
why are so many on here selling the Czechs short? They have played two tough games against Russia and split them, 1 each and now beat the youngins. Hard to argue that one group is any tougher then the other
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The young guys handily out shot them, but they played Hellebyuck in the 3rd and he allowed a soft goal which was the difference. The Czech team was very obviously inferior.
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
The young guys handily out shot them, but they played Hellebyuck in the 3rd and he allowed a soft goal which was the difference. The Czech team was very obviously inferior.
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So hockey is the game where the winner is the worse team? Sound logic, carry on.
 
considering the results, and really what else can you base it on, Yes the pools are rigged.

Pool A is way stronger top to bottom then pool B as evidenced by all 4 pool A teams winning against their pool B opponents. Team Europe, supposedly the worst team destroyed Sweden the standard bearer in their pool. This thread is over.
 
hitmen19 said:
so less then the margin that Canada had against the US in 2 games. Do you go by your same analysis and logic and state that the US is clearly inferior to Canada?
I doubt I will hear back on this
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The US is clearly inferior to Canada, just like the Czechs are clearly inferior to North America.

I guess one game results matter most you though?
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
The US is clearly inferior to Canada, just like the Czechs are clearly inferior to North America.

I guess one game results matter most you though?
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Sorry, your getting your own logic mixed up. You stated the Czech's are clearly inferior to the NA's because of the shots in the game. I stated that Canada had more of a margin in both games against the USA, so do you use the same logic in determining superiority between them two.

I didn't think you did, but I guess you can see NA play 3 exhibition games and clearly state that they are superior to the Czech's because they outshot them as they were trailing most of the game and were pressing but still lost the game. I guess you still think USA were inferior to the USSR in lake placid because you know, they were outshot
 
But are the scheludes rigged? On the Group B Finland has the easy one with no back-to-back games, which is nice. But from the premise that the NHL may have a vested interest to keep Team NA in the play, are the scheludes planned so that Team NA can start the real games on Sunday against Finland, which many people would be eager to rank below Sweden and Russia, to give them an easy start. The same day Sweden and Russia will match up, and Russia will continue, from a possibly very weary match, to the second one of back-to-back games against Team NA on Monday.

On Tuesday, Team NA rests, while Sweden meets Finland, and the next day Team NA meets Sweden, also on its second one of back-to-back games.

USA has no back-to-back games, Canada has one set with the second one against Team Europe.
 
hitmen19 said:
Sorry, your getting your own logic mixed up. You stated the Czech's are clearly inferior to the NA's because of the shots in the game. I stated that Canada had more of a margin in both games against the USA, so do you use the same logic in determining superiority between them two.

I didn't think you did, but I guess you can see NA play 3 exhibition games and clearly state that they are superior to the Czech's because they outshot them as they were trailing most of the game and were pressing but still lost the game. I guess you still think USA were inferior to the USSR in lake placid because you know, they were outshot
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USA was definitely inferior to the Soviets in 1980. In hockey, the better team doesn't always win.
 
Barrie22 said:
So rigged the usa now won't even make it out of pool play barring a major upset over canada.
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even then, with a 3 goal loss, they might have to beat Canada by a similar margin. Don't know what tie breakers are if 3 teams tied
 
hitmen19 said:
even then, with a 3 goal loss, they might have to beat Canada by a similar margin. Don't know what tie breakers are if 3 teams tied
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1) Total of regulation and OT wins; 2) Regulation wins only; 3) Goal Differential; 4) Total goals scored
 
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