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Salary Cap: Anybody still crying about Reilly Smith

Hazi said:
Cam Atkinson - 26yrs old:
2013/2014 - 21G 19A 40P +/- -4
2014/2015 - 22G 18A 40P +/- -2

Reilly Smith - 24yrs old:
2013/2014 - 20G 31A 51P +/- 28
2014/2015 - 13G 27A 40P +/- 7

Atkinson gets paid $3.5 million for 3 more years
Smith gets paid $3.425 million for 2 more years


Smith's contract is not an albatross, and he does have value across the league. With that said, I don't see how he has a future on this team as a RW with Pastrnak and Connolly in the fold, especially if we are still looking for a top 6 RW. He could play 3rd line LW, but I would rather look to trade him just because I feel like a trade involving him could help us in other areas, not because he is overpaid, which is not true.
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I'd be shocked if Connolly ever hit 20 goals and 50 pts.

18-46-21 Looking at 65 goals there IMO
 
The contract isn't so bad that the guy is untradable. Even if hes average again next year it will be 1 year and someone would take it due to him being young.

3rd line with Pasternak and Spooner is a good role for him.
 
BigBadBruin8 said:
Yeah Lou, count me with nugs on this one. Smith's contract is bad. I'm sorry, that's just the way it is. I hope he's dealt before the season.
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I have the same feelings towards Smith that I did with Blake Wheeler . I could careless if you score 50 goals somewhere else but glad you are not on this team.
 
He's paid market value. Maybe slightly overpaid based on his RFA status. Salaries are rising every year with the cap. You have to pay players what they are worth if you want to retain them. If he didn't get it from the Bruins, he would have gotten it from an arbitrator. If the Bruins walked away, he probably would have fielded UFA offers closer to the $5M/per range. I still maintain this was part-2 of the deal after accepting $1.4M coming off a 20 goal/50 point season. He will bounce back.
 
BadBruins said:
He's paid market value. Maybe slightly overpaid based on his RFA status. Salaries are rising every year with the cap. You have to pay players what they are worth if you want to retain them. If he didn't get it from the Bruins, he would have gotten it from an arbitrator. If the Bruins walked away, he probably would have fielded UFA offers closer to the $5M/per range. I still maintain this was part-2 of the deal after accepting $1.4M coming off a 20 goal/50 point season. He will bounce back.
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I think both his and Krug's deal where sitting in a drawer for a long time. Probably something like, take a year at 1.4 and then the option, one year at 3.4 or 2 at 3.425 for the following contract.
 
The Flames also had 25M in cap space having to spend 5.5M just to reach the cap floor with no major contracts to resign until 2017.

The Bruins have no cap space.

Both are bad contracts. Hurt one team way more than the other.
 
JOKER 192 said:
I think both his and Krug's deal where sitting in a drawer for a long time. Probably something like, take a year at 1.4 and then the option, one year at 3.4 or 2 at 3.425 for the following contract.
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Is it a coincidence the total sum of the three seasons averages out to even $2.75M/per? I think not. I believe it's very likely that's where both parties settled on his RFA worth based on a three year term last off-season. Again, a result of the cap mess Chiarelli left this team in IMO. If they had cleared out Kelly/Campbell/Paille last off-season, I think we'd be sitting here today with Smith at $2.75/per and Krug at $2.4M/per.
 
I'm glad there are people that think Smith can get better...thank God...

No problem with the contract. It maintains that story...

There are suckers out there, we'll find one...the contract won't be a issue...they'll be happy to have him locked down for a few...

Sorry, no refunds. Haha
 
BadBruins said:
Is it a coincidence the total sum of the three seasons averages out to even $2.75M/per? I think not. I believe it's very likely that's where both parties settled on his RFA worth based on a three year term last off-season. Again, a result of the cap mess Chiarelli left this team in IMO. If they had cleared out Kelly/Campbell/Paille last off-season, I think we'd be sitting here today with Smith at $2.75/per and Krug at $2.4M/per.
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I don't need convincing on this. Funny how they both signed at the same time,both contracts .
 
Smith has a fair market value contract (unfortunately). For his age, and what he has put up so far, his contract isn't too far off. Last year was a down year for him, and I'd say this upcoming season will be a very telling one for him.

But Smith vs Backlund? Give me Backlund. And yes, I'll still whine about Smith when he's being invisible/useless on the ice.
 
here`s what I`m gonna do

I`m going to reserve my judgement/opinion on this deal which Smith has played 0 minutes under until after HE ACTUALLY PLAYS A GAME under this contract:)
 
ODAAT said:
here`s what I`m gonna do

I`m going to reserve my judgement/opinion on this deal which Smith has played 0 minutes under until after HE ACTUALLY PLAYS A GAME under this contract:)
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this. I have always been 100% neutral on him. Don't hate him, don't love him (except his GW against MTL last year in the playoffs:laugh:)
 
If he's going to continue to be invisible in the 65 games a season he isn't scoring (while bringing his linemates down), then yes, I still hate the contract.

The fact that we paid a guy based on his rookie season rather than last season is what gets me. If we knew they guy would bounce back to hear 1, I'd have no problem. With a two season sample siz, his ability to bounce back is essentially a coin flip. Not something a contract should be based on.
 
CJDolan said:
If he's going to continue to be invisible in the 65 games a season he isn't scoring (while bringing his linemates down), then yes, I still hate the contract.

The fact that we paid a guy based on his rookie season rather than last season is what gets me. If we knew they guy would bounce back to hear 1, I'd have no problem. With a two season sample siz, his ability to bounce back is essentially a coin flip. Not something a contract should be based on.
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1 good year, 1 bad year. Why can't we reserve judgement for this upcoming season? Rather than demonizing him for this down seaason
 
I like Smith and I think last year was just a slump. I think the biggest difference between 13-14 and 14-15 is that he went to the net far less in the latter than the former. He had a lot of strong net drives his first year here that was missing from his game. Hopefully finds the confidence to get dirty and score greasy goals again.
 
Kiss My Rask said:
1 good year, 1 bad year. Why can't we reserve judgement for this upcoming season? Rather than demonizing him for this down seaason
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On top of that, he was a stud in college. The kid is only 24 and should rebound.

Marchand -- Bergeron -- Eriksson

Smith -- Krejci -- Connolly

Lucic -- Spooner -- Pasta


That's how I would do the top three lines, barring any trades.
 
ODAAT said:
here`s what I`m gonna do

I`m going to reserve my judgement/opinion on this deal which Smith has played 0 minutes under until after HE ACTUALLY PLAYS A GAME under this contract:)
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What a novel approach- actually waiting to observe a player in action before making a decision about his value to the team and the value of his contract.

This could change hockey fandom as we know it.....
 
Kiss My Rask said:
1 good year, 1 bad year. Why can't we reserve judgement for this upcoming season? Rather than demonizing him for this down seaason
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I'd actually differentiate it even further. He had one good start to a season, and finished with a whimper, followed by a down year. This season was really a continuation of the second half of his first year. What he does this season will go a long way to showing what he is. Hopefully he finds that early first season success rather than what he's really been over the last year and a half, because that guy isn't worth his contract.
 
Hazi said:
Cam Atkinson - 26yrs old:
2013/2014 - 21G 19A 40P +/- -4
2014/2015 - 22G 18A 40P +/- -2

Reilly Smith - 24yrs old:
2013/2014 - 20G 31A 51P +/- 28
2014/2015 - 13G 27A 40P +/- 7

Atkinson gets paid $3.5 million for 3 more years
Smith gets paid $3.425 million for 2 more years


Smith's contract is not an albatross, and he does have value across the league. With that said, I don't see how he has a future on this team as a RW with Pastrnak and Connolly in the fold, especially if we are still looking for a top 6 RW. He could play 3rd line LW, but I would rather look to trade him just because I feel like a trade involving him could help us in other areas, not because he is overpaid, which is not true.
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Does this comp really prove that Smith isn't overpaid? To me, it proves that Atkinson's contract is a bit too rich as well …

Two bad contracts don't make a right :)
 
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