Any interest in Buff?

[Mayor Bee]

A Byfuglien/Murray pairing could be absolutely terrifying to play against.

But we all know that if I were the GM and trading with Winnipeg, Burmistrov is a part of the deal or it doesn't happen at all.

How realistic is a negotiated sign-and-trade? We just can't trade a ton of assets for a guy with one year left on his deal.

There's no CBA mechanism that allows for a sign-and-trade, and I'd almost rather take the risk rather than having to cough up additional assets in order to treat him as a signed player.

The other problem is that this roster has gone from no real dead weight two years ago to almost $10 mil today. Boll's salary makes him nearly unmovable ($1.7), Clarkson at $5.25 is completely unmovable, and Bourque at $3.333 is pretty much unmovable. Okay, that's over $10 mil. Basically 1/7 of the total cap is dead weight, which is a killer considering that the raises due to Atkinson, Foligno, Bobrovsky, and Dubinsky create a crunch as well.

 

[JKinCLE]

Nope. Overmuch. Buff is a good player, but not for this price. In my understanding, AA+Zaar+3rd 15 will be good for us.

No S*** it'd be good for us lol.

Do you think anyone outside of us CBJ hf'ers know who Zaar is, let alone wants him as a part of a deal for their top pairing defenseman?

Also that 3rd would easily be a 1st.

Good lord you sound like a leafs fan.

 

[Sore Loser]

No S*** it'd be good for us lol.

Do you think anyone outside of us CBJ hf'ers know who Zaar is, let alone wants him as a part of a deal for their top pairing defenseman?

Also that 3rd would easily be a 1st.

Good lord you sound like a leafs fan.

And you sound like a Bruins fan.

Realistically, if the deal involves Byfuglien as it stands (unsigned after next year), then the Jackets shouldn't have much interest in giving up key assets for him at all. In that scenario, I think a fair offer is Anisimov, a 2nd round pick, and a middling prospect. Such as Zaar, whom, believe it or not, is pretty well known in the scouting world.

Why would we sell off the farm for one year of a guy who doesn't make us a Cup contender?

If the notion is that Byfuglien wants to sign here long-term at a reasonable rate (not likely - he has market value on his side), then you up your ante a little. I'd say, Anisimov, a higher end prospect (for argument's sake, Rychel), and a 2nd round pick is a fair offer.

Let's not forget, Anisimov is a quality third line center, on some teams he would be a second liner. Rychel has 30 goal potential and this is a deep draft, so that 2nd could be pretty valuable. I think that's a fair offer for one player.

 

[EspenK]

I'd prefer spending more to get one of their younger guys but then they probably wouldn't want to do it. Trading for Buff is a crap shoot because if Boychuk just got 6 mill for 7 years I can only imagine what Buff will command after next season as a UFA. 7 mill? 6 or 7 years? He's guy who is 30 and to be kind lets just say large. Not exactly a recipe for having much left in the tank 4 or more years down the road. Not to mention we have lots of promising young guys we will need to sign in timeline of his next deal. I'd rather trade for a younger guy who is signed for at least a couple of more years.

 

[Sore Loser]

I'd prefer spending more to get one of their younger guys but then they probably wouldn't want to do it. Trading for Buff is a crap shoot because if Boychuk just got 6 mill for 7 years I can only imagine what Buff will command after next season as a UFA. 7 mill? 6 or 7 years? He's guy who is 30 and to be kind lets just say large. Not exactly a recipe for having much left in the tank 4 or more years down the road. Not to mention we have lots of promising young guys we will need to sign in timeline of his next deal. I'd rather trade for a younger guy who is signed for at least a couple of more years.

Excellent points. For those who may not be aware or may have forgotten: when Byfuglien was drafted, he checked in at nearly 280 pounds.

One bad summer and he could be in bad shape, pun intended.

 

[Viqsi]

Meh. I've come around to actually liking Byfuglien after spending years convinced he owed his career on the blueline to Enstrom. That said, there's no way I'd consider paying anything even distantly resembling some of the prices being quoted. Not when I think we can get Ellis for much lower and get nearly the same amount of performance.

Seriously, tho. Murray and Bjorkstrand and the 1st? Here's a new idea - let's trade 'em Tyutin and a 2nd for Ehlers and Trouba.

 

[Jackets Fan]

Bjorkstrand has the potential to be a 30+ goal scorer, and Dano is looking to be a 20-25 goal and 50-55 point player. So no way.

What I'd offer is Anisimov, Calvert and a 2015 2nd round or 2016 first rounder. That sounds fair to me.

 

[cbjfaninmo]

No, thanks.

 

[major major]

I don't want to make a straw-man out of anyone, but I wonder whether folks have been watching Buff lately. If the Jets had left him at D, and he stayed healthy, and played with the consistency he displayed in January, Buff would have won this year's Norris easily and maybe the Hart. The guy dominates the game when he's on. And he happens to play the position where we have the biggest hole, RHD.

Acquiring Buff could single-handedly do more for the franchise than a whole gaggle of Bjorkstrand's and Milano's. Not that I don't greatly look forward to our prospects' development, it's just a lot easier to find 30 goal scorers than elite RHD's.

I do have a lot of "coulds" and "maybes" here, mainly because Buff is still inconsistent. These things are hard to predict. But you don't want to be like this Bruins fan in 2006, on the eve of signing Chara:

I'm with you. Chara would be great but think his value is slightly diminished in 'new' NHL- certainly not worth max.

In a game all about speed I find it hard to imagine a 6'9' guy is as effective as he was 3 years ago. Take him off that high powered OTT offense and I think his scoring totals will drop, a lot.

Just less hands on deck to put the puck in the net (at this point) in Beantown.

 

[punk_o_holic]

Bjorkstrand has the potential to be a 30+ goal scorer, and Dano is looking to be a 20-25 goal and 50-55 point player. So no way.

What I'd offer is Anisimov, Calvert and a 2015 2nd round or 2016 first rounder. That sounds fair to me.

Not sure if the deal is fair but what's fair is Anisimov is a UFA as well after next season. So basically both teams take the risk of acquiring a player who could leave. But I don't think the Jets wants Anisimov as a main piece(a 1st rounder might be considered more of a main then Anisimov). They have Little, Scheifele, Perreault as their top 3. Also have Frolik but is a UFA who may stay or leave. Have no idea if Little,Scheifele, or Perreault has been used as a winger in Winnipeg.

 

[major major]

Not sure if the deal is fair but what's fair is Anisimov is a UFA as well after next season. So basically both teams take the risk of acquiring a player who could leave. But I don't think the Jets wants Anisimov as a main piece(a 1st rounder might be considered more of a main then Anisimov). They have Little, Scheifele, Perreault as their top 3. Also have Frolik but is a UFA who may stay or leave. Have no idea if Little,Scheifele, or Perreault has been used as a winger in Winnipeg.

Perreault has been on the wing mostly, but they also have Adam Lowry emerging. So they wouldn't have a great need for Anisimov. I can see a little need for Calvert (hometown boy), Connauton/Tyutin (second-pair LHD), and of course who doesn't want prospects/picks.

 

[ca5150]

thanks for the feedback jackets fans...much appreciated.

We get Murray is not on the table or your 2015 first, but we would have high interest in Calvert and Bjorkstrand.

How does Calvert, Bjorkstrand and Dano sound?

I would love to have Buff, it's our biggest need. But I wouldn't trade Calvert, Bjorkstand, Dano, Rychel but I'm not opposed to multiple draft picks. At some point in time, you have enough players and it's time to get what we need most. Imagine Murray, Reilly and Buff on our blue line!

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

this is a nice debate..I think we are close to a deal..

Lowry is going to be our thirdline center for 10 years and we are thrilled about it.

So we have no need for Anisimov..calvert has value because our left side is very thin. We love the kane trade but there is a hole there.

Bjorkstrand is Nic Petan's running mate and is Danish, so in addition to his overall talent there is two intagibles there, it would be nice for Nik Ehlers and Bjork to speak Danish/culturally connect when they want.

No interest in Connauton...I would rather add to Buff to get something more significant back..Burmi is one option, paul postma might be one, and ort late first if we really want to move it into blockbuster territory.

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

I would love to have Buff, it's our biggest need. But I wouldn't trade Calvert, Bjorkstand, Dano, Rychel but I'm not opposed to multiple draft picks. At some point in time, you have enough players and it's time to get what we need most. Imagine Murray, Reilly and Buff on our blue line!

If all your top prospects are off the table you would have to start with your 2015 1st...which could work..I would be tempted to trade Buff straight up for it..a la the Schneider trade..

 

[major major]

this is a nice debate..I think we are close to a deal..

Lowry is going to be our thirdline center for 10 years and we are thrilled about it.

So we have no need for Anisimov..calvert has value because our left side is very thin. We love the kane trade but there is a hole there.

Bjorkstrand is Nic Petan's running mate and is Danish, so in addition to his overall talent there is two intagibles there, it would be nice for Nik Ehlers and Bjork to speak Danish/culturally connect when they want.

No interest in Connauton...I would rather add to Buff to get something more significant back..Burmi is one option, paul postma might be one, and ort late first if we really want to move it into blockbuster territory.

Calvert and Bjorkstrand is already a lot of value, IMO, I'd be hesitant to go much further.

Perhaps:

Calvert + Bjorkstrand + Tyutin for Buff

OR

Calvert + Bjorkstrand + Jack Johnson for Buff + Burmi + Jets 1st rounder.

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

Calvert and Bjorkstrand is already a lot of value, IMO, I'd be hesitant to go much further.

Perhaps:

Calvert + Bjorkstrand + Tyutin for Buff

OR

Calvert + Bjorkstrand + Jack Johnson for Buff + Burmi + Jets 1st rounder.

how old is Tyutin and how has he been?

 

[major major]

how old is Tyutin and how has he been?

31. He's still a solid second pair guy. He's not getting much PP time anymore and his offence has dropped off, but his D is still good. Leads our D in +/-. We keep expecting him to slow down, and maybe he has a little, but not much. Think of him as a smarter version of Mark Stuart.

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

31. He's still a solid second pair guy. He's not getting much PP time anymore and his offence has dropped off, but his D is still good. Leads our D in +/-. We keep expecting him to slow down, and maybe he has a little, but not much. Think of him as a smarter version of Mark Stuart.

I hope he's much smarter than Stuart...does Tyutin have any long term value...could he be top 4 for another 3 seasons?

 

[major major]

I hope he's much smarter than Stuart...does Tyutin have any long term value...could he be top 4 for another 3 seasons?

I'd expect so. He's been a top-four D for 10 years, and he's 31, not 36.

He's expendable here because of JJ and Murray.

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

I'd expect so. He's been a top-four D for 10 years, and he's 31, not 36.

He's expendable here because of JJ and Murray.

If Buff signs with you longer term, throw in a second and I would make it a deal...

 

[Nanabijou]

I'm a Buff fan, but I am not a fan of this trade. I realize you have to give to get, but I see us giving up significant assets and then either 1) Buff walks after a year; or 2) we have to sign him to something crazy like 7 or 8 x $7-$8 million. Neither of those options are that appealing to me. He's been good this year, but he's been too inconsistent over his career to commit to that kind of cash.

If he was signed for another 3-4 years right now, I'd be in. I realize our D needs re-vamping, but I'd be looking elsewhere even if it is a smaller upgrade instead of swinging for the fences and missing.

 

[NotWendell]

2015 1st + Murray + Bjorkstrand?! my god HF..

Seriously. Anisimov straight up would be fair trade value.

 

[Samkow]

Seriously. Anisimov straight up would be fair trade value.

No it wouldn't.

 

[NotWendell]

No it wouldn't.

Certainly less ludicris that the HF proposal. We're talking about one year here. After which, Buff could walk.

 

[Hello Johnny]

Not trading Bjork, Murray, or 2015 1st. Not for possibly only one year of Buff. Love the player and he's what we need, but most of be willing to do is Rychel + two of our 2nds this year + something small.