Anton Lander

interesting thing about Lander is that he is performing at the level that Flyer fans have been wanting for Couturier. They are both excellent young defensive forwards, Couturier gets better quality linemates, 50% more ice time (including slightly more pp time / gm ). Couturier is below 0.5 pts per game just like he has been his entire career.

I have always been a big fan of his but expected him to have progressed more than he has. He is 7 months younger than Lander but has played a lot more NHL games. I have heard that at game 300, you know what the player is. He is going to be at 300 by the end of the year.
 
There are a couple of free agents that I prefer to Roy: Soderberg, Vermette, maybe Ribeiro... That being said, I think I prefer Roy @ $1M rather than Soderberg or Vermette @ $5M.

EDIT: As to Lander, sign him for 2 years with the purpose to play on the 3rd line. If he manages to over-take whoever plays 2C that would be excellent, but in my opinion it is better to break him in slowly. A couple of years with the comfort of being 3C on this team could do wonders for him (given that his game stays on the level it is now).

I agree with all of this
 
interesting thing about Lander is that he is performing at the level that Flyer fans have been wanting for Couturier. They are both excellent young defensive forwards, Couturier gets better quality linemates, 50% more ice time (including slightly more pp time / gm ). Couturier is below 0.5 pts per game just like he has been his entire career.

I have always been a big fan of his but expected him to have progressed more than he has. He is 7 months younger than Lander but has played a lot more NHL games. I have heard that at game 300, you know what the player is. He is going to be at 300 by the end of the year.

I haven't looked for awhile but isn't Couturier playing a shutdown role in PHI?

Not sure why we'd compare the two to be honest.
 
There are a couple of free agents that I prefer to Roy: Soderberg, Vermette, maybe Ribeiro... That being said, I think I prefer Roy @ $1M rather than Soderberg or Vermette @ $5M.

EDIT: As to Lander, sign him for 2 years with the purpose to play on the 3rd line. If he manages to over-take whoever plays 2C that would be excellent, but in my opinion it is better to break him in slowly. A couple of years with the comfort of being 3C on this team could do wonders for him (given that his game stays on the level it is now).

I agree that I'd take Sodeberg, Vermette and probably Ribeiro over Roy, but all three are long shots and as you say will cost a lot and with term. If they sign Roy to the type of deal I think he would take and they have a better option he would still be easy to move. Even at 2 years at $2M which I think he would jump at, his contract would be easy to move.
 
Because that's most likely what Lander will be doing for us going forward. Gordon isn't lasting forever.

I don't see Lander doing what Couturier or Gordon do anytime soon. There is a huge difference between a guy that plays a checking role from time to time compared to a guy who is constantly getting his own zone starts and against the best on the other team.
 
I don't see Lander doing what Couturier or Gordon do anytime soon. There is a huge difference between a guy that plays a checking role from time to time compared to a guy who is constantly getting his own zone starts and against the best on the other team.

And yet, that's what we'll need Lander to learn to do between now and the end of Gordon's contract. Most don't think Gordon will be an Oiler after that.

I don't think Lander has a 2C future, and will be asked to tighten his defensive game to prepare for an important shutdown role with Hendricks and perhaps Pakarinen longer term. And I think he'd do just fine in that role.
 
And yet, that's what we'll need Lander to learn to do between now and the end of Gordon's contract. Most don't think Gordon will be an Oiler after that.

I don't think Lander has a 2C future, and will be asked to tighten his defensive game to prepare for an important shutdown role with Hendricks and perhaps Pakarinen longer term. And I think he'd do just fine in that role.

Honestly I'm not exactly too concerned about Lander being that guy or not. It sure would be nice, but as long as we don't just force Lander into that role you'll still have options.

The problem I see is we don't replace Gordon and Lander isn't ready for the job, but we decide to do the status quo and go without proven talent.
 
I haven't looked for awhile but isn't Couturier playing a shutdown role in PHI?

Not sure why we'd compare the two to be honest.

Yeah, his PPG is definitely lower than expected, but he plays a ton on the PK and his QualComp was super high, especially for his age.
 
I'd like to see it be the obvious goal, and have Lander learning from Gordon while he's here.

Thing I'm more concerned with is indecision. Just have it as a clear goal, and I think it would work fine.
 
I'd like to see it be the obvious goal, and have Lander learning from Gordon while he's here.

Thing I'm more concerned with is indecision. Just have it as a clear goal, and I think it would work fine.
If MacT smartens up and allows Nelson to continue to have a big say in player decisions I think that will happen. I think to the media MacT isn't giving him a lot of credit cause that would make him look worse, but behind closed doors he probably prays to Nelson every day to save his job.

Nelson knows what he is doing, knows how to make players succeed and if MacT gives Nelson what he wants in terms of players I think we can improve in strides.

Keep Gordon till the end of his contract and longer if possible and have Lander learn to do what Gordon does but bring his offensive instincts and man he will be an unreal 3c.
 
I'd like to see it be the obvious goal, and have Lander learning from Gordon while he's here.

Thing I'm more concerned with is indecision. Just have it as a clear goal, and I think it would work fine.

Ideally I'd like to see them bring in a few guys to be trained under Gordon. The issue is the player has to want it as well. Lander I don't see an issue with, but is a guy like RNH taking in information from Gordon like Stoll, Horcoff and Reasoner did with Oates?
 
I'd like to see it be the obvious goal, and have Lander learning from Gordon while he's here.

Thing I'm more concerned with is indecision. Just have it as a clear goal, and I think it would work fine.

Agreed. It might hurt his offense a bit, but I'd like to see him play with Gordon and Hendricks. Klinkhammer's been a good fit, but Lander needs to be able to replace Gordon with a couple years. If everything works out, we get Gordon resigned and Lander continues to develop, and that gives us a 30-40 point 3C, and a 20-25 point 4C, both of which are very good defensively.
 
I would love to have Lander and Gordon as bottom two centers for the next 5 years. Gordon gets the crap zone starts while Lander gets slightly better offensive wingers and zone starts.

This is what Philly wants out of Couturier. They don't want him to be the next Gordon but he isn't providing enough offence to be a 2nd line center. I am a big Couts fan but I thought he would be showing more by now.
 
I would love to have Lander and Gordon as bottom two centers for the next 5 years. Gordon gets the crap zone starts while Lander gets slightly better offensive wingers and zone starts.

This is what Philly wants out of Couturier. They don't want him to be the next Gordon but he isn't providing enough offence to be a 2nd line center. I am a big Couts fan but I thought he would be showing more by now.

As a flyer fan I thought coots potentially had first line potential and if that happened giroux would slide to the wing.

Well coots isnt going to be that player but what he is makes the rest of the team better. He is not a gifted offensive player, but he is capable of scoring at a very high rate given the fact that he plays the toughest minutes in the league . The fact that he plays such hard minutes allows Giroux and Laughton to play easier minutes which is good because they are more gifted offensively.
 
This is what Philly wants out of Couturier. They don't want him to be the next Gordon but he isn't providing enough offence to be a 2nd line center. I am a big Couts fan but I thought he would be showing more by now.

I think it was wishful thinking to think he could be contributing 50+ pts already. Getting mainly defensive zone starts while playing 18-19 minutes a game against top competition is no joke. Especially for a 22 year old who has shown the ability to chip in 30-40 pts a year. Still a lot left in this kids career to keep growing and progressing.
 
A year and a half is a long time, and I think that is enough for Lander to learn and grow into some of Gordon's shoes.

Personally, I like the idea of having two "Wagon lines" instead of one. Having a third line that focuses primarily on offence is wasteful, and it throws off the balance of the the team. I'd rather concentrate the main offencive talent into the top two lines, and then have the bottom two lines as ones that can check and be hard to play against. Go into next year with Lander and Pakarinen as a combo, and Hendricks and Gordon as another, and have that as the base for the bottom six.

Then next year you also focus on developing Yakimov or Khaira (or even Ewanyk) as you're replacement 4th line centre for in the case Gordon leaves.
 
At the very least we should have a "4th" line of Hendricks-Gordon-Lander that plays key defensive minutes.
Ideally Lander centers the 3rd line with gritty linemates.
 
Lander should have to earn his spot in training camp just like any other player who hasn't established themselves as an NHLer yet. No way he is a lock.

He's establishing himself as an NHLer right now.

That said, he should still have to compete for a job. People wouldn't have so much of an issue with that if we had a proper GM.
 
If he plays like this the rest of the season, then he's already earned his spot for next year.
 
Because that's most likely what Lander will be doing for us going forward. Gordon isn't lasting forever.

Not necessarily. One thing Lander does extremely well is control the puck along the boards. Few Oilers' forwards can do as good a job in that department. Give him some time and right line mates, I can see him putting some points on the board.
 
Lander should have to earn his spot in training camp just like any other player who hasn't established themselves as an NHLer yet. No way he is a lock.

He's UFA so we're going to be signing him, and likely for an amount that can't entirely be buried in the AHL. Assuming he keeps this up, he's a virtual lock to make the team next year barring a donut filled offseason, even if he has to play wing.
 

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