We're not getting Byram...LOL. Not a chance for Cirelli. None. Zero
And yet he was arguably one of their best forwards last year in the playoffs. He also improved in goal scoring this year and while there may be 20 goal scorers that could be had for less, there aren't many who also usually do that and play the kind of defense he normally does. If JBB trades him, it either needs to be part of a deal for a top 4 RD with term, or for picks/prospects that will then be quickly flipped for one. Trading him also opens up another hole in the top 6, so now the team has to find that player as well.
Sure and I’m not confident JBB knows how to get anyone in free agency lol see Conor Sheary lol and trade see Tanner Jeannot
I'm not even opposed to trading him. But the idea we would be better without him or his contract seems a little crazy to me. There are just no obvious answers here. We are trying to figure out a way to make 8 = 18.
It all depends on how team friendly Stamkos is willing to be on his deal. Trading Sheary, Jeannot and Perbix creates ~17.5 million in space, so as long as Stamkos will take a reasonable number for the team, there is enough to add some depth and make the roster work without trading Cirelli. If Stamkos takes 6.5-7, they can then use around 7 between a F and a dman, then use the remaining 3.5-4 on lesser contracts. There will be at least one "deficiency" perhaps somewhere in the lineup(this likely can't be avoided), but given the stats offensively/defensively, I'd rather have the perceived hole be on the 3rd or 4th line rather than on defense.
Does the average 3rd liner score 20 goals, 45 points and play good defense?
He might be; it’s not to the degree where it’s handicapping this team. The 1.5 mil you’d hypothetically save wouldnt address much while taking away what he brings.
Well, you have McDonaugh back. Does that make Tampa more likely to trade Cirelli? If so, what's the ask need? Do you think GMJB would be interested in a high 1st round pick, or would he prefer prospects who are closer to being NHL-ready?
I think it's unlikely they trade.Cirelli, and that it would be a large mistake to do so. If they do, it should be for a high quality prospect+pick, unless the 1st is being earmarked to acquire something else. With their cap situation being what it is, I highly doubt they will be able to construct a better top 6 by moving Cirelli and trying to find two ~3 million aav guys in ufa(if even that much room depending on the Stamkos number), than rolling out a top 6 in some combination of Stamkos, Point, Kuch, Cirelli, Hagel and Paul. I'd rather do that and sacrifice a little on the 3rd line/have to rely on a Syracuse promotion than hope two guys can come in and be instant fits in the top 6. If JBB does err again though and trade Cirelli, no meaningful salary should be coming back unless it's a proven top 6 replacement at wing that is cheaper, has term, and is comparable in age; otherwise it should be for a high end NHL ready prospect and picks imo
You’re right I messed that one up. But hopefully they will still move him. I do not see him as part of the core. He is a overpaid 3C.
Cirelli is a playoff type where grittier, defensive, football style hockey is more important. But in the track meet style hockey in the regular season, his lack of offensive dynamism and production slumps leaves us all frustrated. That is where he is overpaid.
It's just really hard to imagine moving him and not getting worse.
Cap is going up over 12% in two years, or something like that. It's gonna happen. I mean, right now it's 2C money, and probably low end 2C.
