Speculation: Another year of this Bluc **** (The 2024-25 season thread)

[King'sPawn]

Unfortunate for Kaliyev. He's at a stage though where he needs to show he can bring more to the team than some players in front of him. Even his best asset (shot power, placement, and technique) have degraded though, so it really isn't a surprise.

I still think while plenty of blame goes his way, there's some for management trying to make him be a player he's not.

Good luck in Ontario (or another team if they take him).

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

That too, was (and continues to be) also poor asset management

How so?

 

[BaileyFan]

Best thing that could happen to Arty and his career. Stoked for him.

 

[Schmooley]

Unfortunate for Kaliyev. He's at a stage though where he needs to show he can bring more to the team than some players in front of him. Even his best asset (shot power, placement, and technique) have degraded though, so it really isn't a surprise.

I still think while plenty of blame goes his way, there's some for management trying to make him be a player he's not.

Good luck in Ontario (or another team if they take him).

How should he show it? He hasnt played a game this year and barely played last year. Never really got a chance on pp1. Never more than a couple shifts here and there outside the bottom 6.
This was always a guy that was going to need to be handled with kid gloves during development to get the most out of him and they did the complete opposite.
Weve all gone over it so many times. Hope he gets claimed and can start over with a new team and see if he has it in him.

 

[johnjm22]

I understand why they have a hard time working him into the lineup.

My issue is, why draft a player like this if he doesn't fit the criteria for your NHL team?

This is what happens when you don't have cohesive organizational philosophy and direction.

To LA's credit, they seem to have finally "figured it out" in terms roster construction, but Kaliyev doesn't fit. He's a victim of the orgs' previous and reactionary mindset. He's probably thinking to himself "Why did this team even draft me?" We're wondering the same thing.

 

[FSL KINGS]

How so?

That's the hardest hit any King has landed on 97. Blake just throwing away one of our best checkers.

 

[Brownie to Pancakes]

I don't think every mismanaged king is gonna go on to bigger and better things, but I definitely think that for Arty.

 

[FrozenKing18]

Okay, genuinely curious. Unless it was some sort of character issues via “King Arthur don’t do rebounds”. Coaching really couldn’t find a way to sharpen his powerplay skills? We all know he’s fully capable of being a specialist. Even if the other facets of his game was lacking? He couldn’t have been that bad as he produced when he was at a stable line. I’m just not getting the plan was for him. It’s like coaching and management just gave up on him.

I do wish him well and hope he succeeds elsewhere. I’ll be rooting for him wherever he goes!

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I understand why they have a hard time working him into the lineup.

My issue is, why draft a player like this if he doesn't fit the criteria for your NHL team?

This is what happens when you don't have cohesive organizational philosophy and direction.

To LA's credit, they seem to have finally "figured it out" in terms roster construction, but Kaliyev doesn't fit. He's a victim of the orgs' previous and reactionary mindset. He's probably thinking to himself "Why did this team even draft me?" We're wondering the same thing.

I know I'm probably in the crazy minority here - but could it possibly be that the player hasn't performed to expectations and literally NOTHING to do with him not 'fitting the criteria' of the team? Not to mention, this could also have zero to do with on-ice performance and I know it's a stretch, but maybe the casual fans just aren't privy to that information.

 

[tny760]

what was the line, moore/danault/kaliyev that was insanely productive for a good stretch of last season before the big brain stepped in?

obviously he just hasn't been a good little boy accepting being jerked around for some of his most important development seasons, the "off-ice issues" excuse is self-fulfilling

 

[kingsboy11]

He hasn't played an NHL game in almost a year, I think its unlikely he gets claimed, but I guess its possible. There was a thread on the main board a couple weeks ago about when a prospect doesn't make it, is it mostly the player or is it mostly the organization. I think most people would agree its mostly the player, but I do think the team didn't do Arty a lot of favors with his development/deployment. McLellan was so stubborn in his ways and liked how effective that Lemieux/Lizotte/Kaliyev line, but at the end of the day, Arty needed to be pushed earlier to be in a top 9 role rather wasting away on 4th line duties. Now obviously Arty has to shoulder the blame if he wasn't doing what was expected of him, but I have a feeling he wasn't a McLellan type of player and the damage was too far gone last season.

 

[johnjm22]

I know I'm probably in the crazy minority here - but could it possibly be that the player hasn't performed to expectations and literally NOTHING to do with him not 'fitting the criteria' of the team? Not to mention, this could also have zero to do with on-ice performance and I know it's a stretch, but maybe the casual fans just aren't privy to that information.

He's never been put in the role his prototype fits for an extended period of time, thus we can't make an evaluation of his performance.

Results are a combination of multiple factors. His play is one of them, but the organization hasn't given him the leash he's needed either.

This probably should have been foreseeable on draft day.

 

[lumbergh]

King's need to add a sniper for the playoffs. We don't have a games changing shot on the team.

Any ideas? Maybe Panarin, but doubt he fits the King's style. Can Hall still shoot? Jack Quinn in Buffalo hit a rough patch. Maybe we can pick him up.

How about Arthur Kaliyev? He's a sniper with a great shot, I hear.

 

[lumbergh]

He hasn't played an NHL game in almost a year, I think its unlikely he gets claimed, but I guess its possible. ... Now obviously Arty has to shoulder the blame if he wasn't doing what was expected of him, but I have a feeling he wasn't a McLellan type of player and the damage was too far gone last season.

Can one "clavicle" the blame? How ironic that the event that precipitates Kaliyev going on waivers is the guy who broke his clavicle in training camp coming back to the roster. Sucks for Kaliyev that Burroughs screwed him twice. Like pouring salt on a wound.

 

[tny760]

This probably should have been foreseeable on draft day.

and if not from then, for at least a calendar year now

to top it off they give him a "show me" contract and then refuse to allow him to "show them"! what happened to his first practice with the big squad the other day being "day one" for him? f***in nonsense from this org. should've been waived and released so long ago if this is the best they've got

yet again they just want to dangle the carrot in front of him

 

[BigBrown]

This doesn't change much of anything since many have come to terms with him not making it with the Kings a while ago but it's an opportunity to reflect on what could have been. I definitely think Kaliyev could have been a player with the right development and opportunity. He was inconsistent but showed some promise, then had a stretch when he wasn't very good and never got another opportunity. The coaches seemed done with him for whatever reason.

I'm guessing he clears, plays out his contract with the Reign then heads off to Europe and that will be that.

 

[Sol]

Imagine waiving a sniper for playing like a sniper and not a grinder. So if the Kings got Laine would we judge him on his board battles? Like in what world are all players built the same?

 

[lumbergh]

I've been cheering for Kaliyev for a while; really thought he was gonna become a scoring machine here. Honestly, though, who could the Kings conceivably take out of the top 9 to give Kaliyev a chance? Turcotte? He's playing well on the top line. Laferriere? The guy is 3rd on the team in goals. Foegele? He's doing great as a 200-foot player on the third line. There's just no room for Kaliyev, and it's best for Kaliyev to move to a team that has room for him.

I would have preferred that Hiller play him exclusively on the power play. Like a 11/6+Kaliyev situation. Just leave him out there for the full 2 minutes and have him blast shots ala Ovechkin. It's not like Burroughs was doing much with his 6 minutes a night as the 7th D anyways.

We'll see if he gets claimed, but best of luck to him if he gets claimed.

 

[King'sPawn]

How should he show it? He hasnt played a game this year and barely played last year. Never really got a chance on pp1. Never more than a couple shifts here and there outside the bottom 6.
This was always a guy that was going to need to be handled with kid gloves during development to get the most out of him and they did the complete opposite.
Weve all gone over it so many times. Hope he gets claimed and can start over with a new team and see if he has it in him.

Part of that is why I blame the organization for certain.

But if we look at Kaliyev's play in a vacuum (meaning, ignore his 4th line deployment, history, draft position, etc), Kaliyev simply didn't play well WHEN he played. Last season, he was a 22 year-old sniper. But he was gunshy. His shots were generally ineffective and one-and done. He didn't show he even wanted the puck with puck battles. It wasn't just low quantity of play, but low quality, which ultimately is still up to Kaliyev.

So, you have a 22 year-old gunshy sniper who showed low compete in limited minutes. Who would you give him ice time over in the lineup? So many people love to dump on Lewis, but was he even outplaying him, considering the same ice time? I don't really think he has.

Again, this isn't all on Kaliyev. But for the things that were in his control, he just hasn't delivered.

 

[tny760]

Part of that is why I blame the organization for certain.

But if we look at Kaliyev's play in a vacuum (meaning, ignore his 4th line deployment, history, draft position, etc), Kaliyev simply didn't play well WHEN he played. Last season, he was a 22 year-old sniper. But he was gunshy. His shots were generally ineffective and one-and done. He didn't show he even wanted the puck with puck battles. It wasn't just low quantity of play, but low quality, which ultimately is still up to Kaliyev.

So, you have a 22 year-old gunshy sniper who showed low compete in limited minutes. Who would you give him ice time over in the lineup? So many people love to dump on Lewis, but was he even outplaying him, considering the same ice time? I don't really think he has.

Again, this isn't all on Kaliyev. But for the things that were in his control, he just hasn't delivered.

i seem to remember another in-a-vacuum low compete, low success player who got paid what, $7M more, got 1-on-1 coaching from rob blake and was placed everywhere in the lineup to accomodate him

 

[Sol]

Part of that is why I blame the organization for certain.

But if we look at Kaliyev's play in a vacuum (meaning, ignore his 4th line deployment, history, draft position, etc), Kaliyev simply didn't play well WHEN he played. Last season, he was a 22 year-old sniper. But he was gunshy. His shots were generally ineffective and one-and done. He didn't show he even wanted the puck with puck battles. It wasn't just low quantity of play, but low quality, which ultimately is still up to Kaliyev.

So, you have a 22 year-old gunshy sniper who showed low compete in limited minutes. Who would you give him ice time over in the lineup? So many people love to dump on Lewis, but was he even outplaying him, considering the same ice time? I don't really think he has.

Again, this isn't all on Kaliyev. But for the things that were in his control, he just hasn't delivered.

I really argue here that it’s extremely hard to deliver when you’re put in a position to fail. Kaliyev was playing more of a grinder role than a sniper role when he was getting ice time. Look at Laferriere right now, he’s playing like a sniper and the Kings are wanting that from him. When was the last time that Kaliyev was playing like a sniper for a prolonged period of time? I know certain people like to dunk on Kaliyev for not succeeding as a sniper in a grinder position but we have to be honest about how this affects a players performance.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Thought about the Kaliyev thing some more: If you're going to start heroic StoneHands over Helenius, why not send Helenius back to the A (so he keeps developing) and not waive Kaliyev? Or failing that, waive Burroughs or Englund since DD coming back at some point? Still seems dumb this went down no matter how I slice it.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Would love to see Chicago or San Jose claim him and see him throw down 20 in the remainder of the season! Tampa could even be a good spot!

 

[Johnny Utah]

Kings just kicked the can down the road.

When DD comes back they have three NHL D in Moverare, Burroughs and Englund and one extra forward in Thomas - assuming Helenius is the 12th forward.

They can either send Helenius down and go with only 12 F and 9 D OR waive one D and keep one extra forward - 13F and 8D.

 

[Bandit]

who could the Kings conceivably take out of the top 9 to give Kaliyev a chance?

Oh I dunno, maybe f***ing Burroughs??? Even if you only put Kaliyev out there on the power play, it’s an improvement