Speculation: Another year of this Bluc **** (The 2024-25 season thread)

[KingsOfCali25]

Two words: "Blake" & "PLD"

(hmm, is 'PLD" one word???)

Yes and that word is Garbage

 

[johnjm22]

Turcotte is better than his trade value. That's the problem with moving him. But I can understand if you think he's going to get injured again.

 

[johnjm22]

The clause-free tradeable NHL contracts we have (that would free up cap space) are Moore, Anderson and Byfield.

It's hard to see a scenario where trading any of them makes much sense.

I wish we could trade Fiala or Kuemper but that seems unlikely. Fiala has a NMC.

 

[Trash Panda]

The clause-free tradeable NHL contracts we have (that would free up cap space) are Moore, Anderson and Byfield.

It's hard to see a scenario where trading any of them makes much sense.

I wish we could trade Fiala or Kuemper but that seems unlikely. Fiala has a NMC.

Moore actually makes a ton of sense to trade, especially if recent performances are worth any sort of consideration.

Trading Fiala would instantly make the team a better playoff team, but that’s not a conversation that most people are ready to have.

 

[johnjm22]

Moore actually makes a ton of sense to trade, especially if recent performances are worth any sort of consideration.

Moore is 4th on the team in EVP.

He plays a solid two way game, can be used in all situations. Exactly the type of guy you want in your middle six. He's good value at 4.2M.

If the Kings are trying to win now, I don't see how moving him makes much sense.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Moore is playing like hammered dog shit relatively

We need him to be better, just like a handful of others. He may be putting up points but he's been soft and a borderline liability but at least that part he's turning around. His calling card was hard work and forechecking but right now he's just getting pushed over and can't catch the play.

But trading him makes little sense, you'd never get back similar value, and it's at a low now.

 

[Schmooley]

Moore is 4th on the team in EVP.

He plays a solid two way game, can be used in all situations. Exactly the type of guy you want in your middle six. He's good value at 4.2M.

If the Kings are trying to win now, I don't see how moving him makes much sense.

If they have to move cap to bring in a big name somethings gotta give.
The thing with him is he was real soft in the playoffs last year and hasnt really been to willing to get his hands dirty this year either.
Just flipping between games tonight Edmonton Florida Dallas and Washington seem much bigger than the Kings. If they can get a goal scorer thats a little grittier than Moore and a big 4th liner it would help balance them out against these teams.

 

[Lt Dan]

Moore is playing like hammered dog shit relatively

We need him to be better, just like a handful of others. He may be putting up points but he's been soft and a borderline liability but at least that part he's turning around. His calling card was hard work and forechecking but right now he's just getting pushed over and can't catch the play.

But trading him makes little sense, you'd never get back similar value, and it's at a low now.

He's hurt. They need to rest him before he gets hurter, or even worse. He could get John Hurt

 

[johnjm22]

Moore is playing like hammered dog shit relatively

We need him to be better, just like a handful of others. He may be putting up points but he's been soft and a borderline liability but at least that part he's turning around. His calling card was hard work and forechecking but right now he's just getting pushed over and can't catch the play.

But trading him makes little sense, you'd never get back similar value, and it's at a low now.

Pretty sure there's a nagging injury issue. That's why he had to sit out.

If they have to move cap to bring in a big name somethings gotta give.
The thing with him is he was real soft in the playoffs last year and hasnt really been to willing to get his hands dirty this year either.
Just flipping between games tonight Edmonton Florida Dallas and Washington seem much bigger than the Kings. If they can get a goal scorer thats a little grittier than Moore and a big 4th liner it would help balance them out against these teams.

Aside from the concussion year, he's been good for us in the playoffs. Has scored some big goals.

 

[Trash Panda]

Moore has yet to figure out how to transfer his game to the post season, and although I do agree that he is worth what he is paid, that value all but disappears come playoff time.

He doesn’t move the needle forward when it counts, and would be coveted by other teams. It’s an easy move to make in a vacuum.

 

[Choralone]

He's hurt. They need to rest him before he gets hurter, or even worse. He could get John Hurt

Yeah, but John Hurt, bless him, is dead. That is too hurt. Same goes for William Hurt.

 

[funky]

The clause-free tradeable NHL contracts we have (that would free up cap space) are Moore, Anderson and Byfield.

It's hard to see a scenario where trading any of them makes much sense.

I wish we could trade Fiala or Kuemper but that seems unlikely. Fiala has a NMC.

The most likely person I see is Gavrikov when Doughty comes back. Slides right into his spot with Anderson without disrupting any of the other pairings.

It is going to be expensive to sign him long time. It would also free up a ton of space to go get a scoring forward. I love him as a player, and he looks to be awesome in the dressing room, so he would certainly be missed, but Arena scorer would be incredible on this team. I just think Drew replaces him seamlessly.

In an NHL 2025 world I would Gav and Moore for Panarin but in real life, I’m not sure how much interest the rangers would have. I’m sure there’s some kind of trade out there that could get us an offensive player.

 

[Peter James Bond III]

I have a bad feeling they’ll end up getting
a Jason Zucker or Rackell and thinking they’ll be a difference maker. Both having decent yrs. Id rather stay put. I thought Zucker was the best Sabre in kings recent game vs Sabres. Underrated when he’s healthy and on his game. Didn’t know he was born Newport Beach. I can hear Nickson now: “Trevor Moore of Thousand Oaks, to Jason Zucker of Newport Beach..shot hits the post”

Barbashev was the biggest steal in recent years.
Was hoping the Kings would get him. Oh well.
No players like that rumored to be on the block. Or at least can be had for a prospect like Zach Dean.
Can’t believe the Blues didn’t get more.

If the Kings could honestly get Barzal or Konecny…true difference makers, that’s worth looking into.
Josh Norris’ shoulder is not worth the risk, or cap hit.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Carey Price 10.5 AAV, 1 season after this. King could demote one player & trade for him & add to LTIR. Activate Doughty & still have 10 in cap.

Starting next year would be a bit tricky, but adding Doughty, Top 6 scorer & an extra D would be hilarious this season.

Edit
Next season to get under the cap, hand Rossi a 9 mill offer sheet dated to the first day of the season when Price goes on LTIR. 1,2,3rd round picks.

Year after Kopi & Price off the books. Cap back to normal after two good runs.

 

[Peter James Bond III]

So watch Blake and Dubas make yet another deal.
Blake overpays for Crosby. Something like 2025 #1, Moore, Ziemmer. Or even worse; Greentree (instead of Ziemmer) or 2 #1s or adding Slukynsky or George. Maybe get a #2 back.

Sid is 37 and last 2 yrs scored 90+ pts.
Honestly, if the Kings are playing this well and
more is expected of QB, Fiala and DD is back in 2 months, this could be Cup caliber. Put fans in the seats and have 2+ yrs to go for it.

Yeah, how would they match up w Panthers or Carolina if they could win the West. Idk. Takes more than the best team on paper to win the Cup.
Stl and Caps won and they were not the best.
It would absolutely require Kuemper to be nails
In the playoffs.

I’m not for something like this. But wouid not hate it, if Sid can still play. He’s signed 2 more yrs at 8.7.
Maybe Fiala scores 40.

 

[SundherDome]

Outsider question:
Was wondering if you could help pinpoint Spence's value. Thanks in advance

 

[FSL KINGS]

Outsider question:
Was wondering if you could help pinpoint Spence's value. Thanks in advance

I'd toss him into a package for a shutdown RD personally.

Can't see him being much more than a second, but can't trade Spence without an upgrade on RD first.

Edit: Others may value Spence more than me.

 

[johnjm22]

Outsider question:
Was wondering if you could help pinpoint Spence's value. Thanks in advance

Jack Quinn.

Tuch also fits what we need.

 

[Statto]

The most likely person I see is Gavrikov when Doughty comes back. Slides right into his spot with Anderson without disrupting any of the other pairings.

It is going to be expensive to sign him long time. It would also free up a ton of space to go get a scoring forward. I love him as a player, and he looks to be awesome in the dressing room, so he would certainly be missed, but Arena scorer would be incredible on this team. I just think Drew replaces him seamlessly.

In an NHL 2025 world I would Gav and Moore for Panarin but in real life, I’m not sure how much interest the rangers would have. I’m sure there’s some kind of trade out there that could get us an offensive player.

Easy when you don’t consider Gavrikovs NMC. I don’t see him waiving.

I look at it this way, if any other team we are in the play-off race added Drew Doughty to their roster in the New Year we’d all say ‘oh shit!’. Yes of course more scoring is desirable but it’s going to be a huge add for us.

I’d move someone like Moore if it’s an equivalent player but a RHS coming back and that’ll help the PP/balance. However I’m not worried if he stays.

After that I think we are likely looking at improvement from within. If Byfield could increase his output to project to match his totals from last season, that in itself will elevate the teams offensive threat because it’ll make his line mates more potent also. Then you have the growing importance of Clarke and Turcotte.

There is clear improvement to be found within which is why Blake should not rush to make a move whilst results are so solid.

Edit: What a poorly written post… I am in a rush though.

 

[Omni Owl]

There is clear improvement to be found within which is why Blake should not rush to make a move whilst results are so solid.

Hard agree. Blake has a terrible track record with trades as well, guy makes me nervous we're going to get shafted in every trade.

We have 2 lefties tied up in the top pair, which leaves Edmundson and Moverare for Doughty to play with. Gavvy-Anderson has been doing so well I wouldn't break them up. Moverare could really learn a thing or 2 playing with Drew.

 

[funky]

Hard agree. Blake has a terrible track record with trades as well, guy makes me nervous we're going to get shafted in every trade.

We have 2 lefties tied up in the top pair, which leaves Edmundson and Moverare for Doughty to play with. Gavvy-Anderson has been doing so well I wouldn't break them up. Moverare could really learn a thing or 2 playing with Drew.

Anderson - Gavrikov
Doughty - Clarke
Edmundson - Spence
Moverare - Burroughs

or

Anderson - Doughty
Gav - Clarke

Decrease Drews minutes, especially after injury. He plays the defensive dman and lets Clarke roam. I think Clarke's defensive game has been better than advertised and I would be curious to see if playing with Drew, who can facilitate more offensively then Edmundson, could open up Clarke's offensive gam even more.

Spence gets protected by big Joel who I have been impressed with. Moverare has to stay with the big club. He deserves it. He just goes about his job every time he is called up.

 

[Statto]

Anderson - Gavrikov
Doughty - Clarke
Edmundson - Spence
Moverare - Burroughs

or

Anderson - Doughty
Gav - Clarke

Decrease Drews minutes, especially after injury. He plays the defensive dman and lets Clarke roam. I think Clarke's defensive game has been better than advertised and I would be curious to see if playing with Drew, who can facilitate more offensively then Edmundson, could open up Clarke's offensive gam even more.

Spence gets protected by big Joel who I have been impressed with. Moverare has to stay with the big club. He deserves it. He just goes about his job every time he is called up.

I think the second scenario is more likely but Clarke/Edmundson is working well atm.

 

[Lt Dan]

Outsider question:
Was wondering if you could help pinpoint Spence's value. Thanks in advance

If the Kings were smart, they wouldn't trade him. That being said, I fully expect Bluc to make the wrong decision when Doughty comes back .

As far as his value? The bidding starts at the first born male child in every household

 

[lumbergh]

Outsider question:
Was wondering if you could help pinpoint Spence's value. Thanks in advance

Spence is already a very good second or third pairing defenseman. Very good skater for a defenseman, highly efficient at moving the puck out of the defensive zone with his skates or his pass, and positionally excellent. Consistently on the plus side because he does all the things you want from a quality defenseman.

Despite his big looking slapshot, he's not a very good power play quarterback. There's not much aim to his shot; he just blasts it as hard as he can towards the net. Lots of his shots are blocked or swallowed by the goalie. Unexpectedly, he is an excellent penalty killer. In four seasons he's spent about 46 minutes killing penalties and been scored on once.

He's basically a younger Sean Walker, so like a $3-4 million middle pairing D. Good in any situation, but not extraordinary offensively as hoped.

 

[unicornpig]

If gav gets resigned Spence is moveable when dd gets back. Anderson-gav, movare-dd, Edmundsom- Clarke. That said only would move him for an overpay like tuch