Speculation: Another year of this Bluc **** (The 2024-25 season thread)

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm more excited BECAUSE Doughty is out for a while. Clarke and Spence should get more ice time, so we'll see what they do with it.

that's a funny way to spell Burroughs

put some respect on our 1RHDs name

 

[Sol]

i have to say, im more excited for this season than i've been in 5+ years...even with Doughty out for a while

I’m excited because doughty isn’t playing tbh because he is a waste of space at this point regardless of how good he still is

 

[Herby]

Kind of late to the game with the Ziemmer discussion, but this guy was drawing a good amount of hype as a mid 3rd round pick during last years camp. He has already put up pretty strong statistical numbers in the WHL in his age 17, 18 and 19 seasons, so it seems a bit off that he returns to major-junior to play a fourth season, as an overager.

I realize he is a post 9/15 b-day and thus a little bit younger than most oa players, but its a bit disappointing to return a pretty high draft pick for an overage year competing against 16-19 year olds. There have certainly been some exceptions (Sean Durzi is one notable recent one), but historically, drafted players playing major junior in their age 20 seasons have not produced strong long-term results at the NHL level, and why many teams don't go down that route with their prospects.

Looking at Ontario's likely roster, it seems like there should have been no issue fitting a 20 year old player taken in the middle of the 3rd onto that roster.

 

[ru4reals]

Kind of late to the game with the Ziemmer discussion, but this guy was drawing a good amount of hype as a mid 3rd round pick during last years camp. He has already put up pretty strong statistical numbers in the WHL in his age 17, 18 and 19 seasons, so it seems a bit off that he returns to major-junior to play a fourth season, as an overager.

I realize he is a post 9/15 b-day and thus a little bit younger than most oa players, but its a bit disappointing to return a pretty high draft pick for an overage year competing against 16-19 year olds. There have certainly been some exceptions (Sean Durzi is one notable recent one), but historically, drafted players playing major junior in their age 20 seasons have not produced strong long-term results at the NHL level, and why many teams don't go down that route with their prospects.

Looking at Ontario's likely roster, it seems like there should have been no issue fitting a 20 year old player taken in the middle of the 3rd onto that roster.

100% Agree.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Kind of late to the game with the Ziemmer discussion, but this guy was drawing a good amount of hype as a mid 3rd round pick during last years camp. He has already put up pretty strong statistical numbers in the WHL in his age 17, 18 and 19 seasons, so it seems a bit off that he returns to major-junior to play a fourth season, as an overager.

I realize he is a post 9/15 b-day and thus a little bit younger than most oa players, but its a bit disappointing to return a pretty high draft pick for an overage year competing against 16-19 year olds. There have certainly been some exceptions (Sean Durzi is one notable recent one), but historically, drafted players playing major junior in their age 20 seasons have not produced strong long-term results at the NHL level, and why many teams don't go down that route with their prospects.

Looking at Ontario's likely roster, it seems like there should have been no issue fitting a 20 year old player taken in the middle of the 3rd onto that roster.

Except the fact that he only played 24 games during his age 19 year, still is 19 doesn't turn 20 to December etc, not sure if the AHL is where you want him finding his game back.

 

[CarlSneep]

Yeah, I think Ziemmer is a rare case where it’s entirely justified to send him down for his overager year. Plus the Kings development team can’t ruin him there so win/win

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Re ziemmer it seems more like it’s about injury and recovery than anything else

At least that’s the optimist in me

But I'm with @King'sPawn about the handling, it's reminiscent of Clarke, just so goofy 4D chess. I have zero problem with him actually going down, but the jerking around is so weird. But yeah, Koehn wants to play like a dick, so go get healthy and stronger rather than coming off an ankle injury vs. men who want to take your lunch.

 

[Statto]

I don’t believe the Kings would be accruing cap space if Kaliyev was on LTIR either. They would still be over the cap. It does open up the possibility of acquiring a player now as you mentioned with the temporary cap space.

The rumblings last week were that Blake was looking to acquire a 4C which makes sense- you know it has to be KILLING him that two under-25yo’s are on the same line in Turcotte/Thomas. If there is a move, I’d expect it to be one that allows them to send one of those two to the press box indefinitely.

The 4c stuff was started by Bernstein speculating. He was very clear it wasn’t based on any inside info or similar, yet other outlets still then turned it into a rumour.

 

[Statto]

Re ziemmer it seems more like it’s about injury and recovery than anything else

At least that’s the optimist in me

But I'm with @King'sPawn about the handling, it's reminiscent of Clarke, just so goofy 4D chess. I have zero problem with him actually going down, but the jerking around is so weird. But yeah, Koehn wants to play like a dick, so go get healthy and stronger rather than coming off an ankle injury vs. men who want to take your lunch.

How has he been jerked around (completely agree that Clarke was). He was with the Kings, then was with the Reign for 7 days (give or take), that’s it. He wanted an opportunity to stick, was given that opportunity and then got sent down. I just don’t see the issue in this case, nothing like Clarke at all. It’s been a pretty linear and direct process with him.