Speculation: Another year of this Bluc **** (The 2024-25 season thread)
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Sol
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Any second they’re gonna hit the fans with the “Kings are cooking xDDDDD” and they’re going to say that seriously.
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
bland
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Expecting success from Kings hockey over the last 8 years is akin to getting excited about scratching off lottery tickets that you already know are worthless.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Absolutely not
That being said, they SHOULD have it in their bag of tricks, just not full time
johnjm22
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Damn. Terrible news. He hadn't posted in awhile.
Peter James Bond III
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Many scouts at tonight in MTL. Maybe Blake was working the phones after the last 2 games...
what the scouts at the game learned: Turcotte #5 OA 2019, was better than Dach #3 OA 2019 and Caufield #15 OA 2019... tonight. And Turcotte is an NHL center and not a fringe one.
Alex Turcotte has arrived. No more holding him back, no more jacked around, no more 6:20 TOI games ever again. He could have easily had 3 points tonight. Was good on boards, patient with puck, confident, making great plays in all 3 zones....and looking great with Laferriere. Foegele had a few chances and hope this gets him going.
First time it can be seen that all 3 top 10 King picks: 2019 Turcotte, 2020 Byfield and 2021 Clarke were all good picks. You cannot F up a top 10 pick and so happy to see the Kings didn't F one of those up.
Lots of scouts.
what the scouts at the game learned: Turcotte #5 OA 2019, was better than Dach #3 OA 2019 and Caufield #15 OA 2019... tonight. And Turcotte is an NHL center and not a fringe one.
Alex Turcotte has arrived. No more holding him back, no more jacked around, no more 6:20 TOI games ever again. He could have easily had 3 points tonight. Was good on boards, patient with puck, confident, making great plays in all 3 zones....and looking great with Laferriere. Foegele had a few chances and hope this gets him going.
First time it can be seen that all 3 top 10 King picks: 2019 Turcotte, 2020 Byfield and 2021 Clarke were all good picks. You cannot F up a top 10 pick and so happy to see the Kings didn't F one of those up.
Lots of scouts.
kingsboy11
Maestro
Very sad to hear this before the game started. Always appreciated his articles.
bland
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Can you imagine how excited the fanbase would be to support a young, aggressive team on the rise that included a stud like Faber and weapons like Vilardi and a properly handled Kaliyev attached to the sides of Byfield and Turcotte?
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
But "we're right there"....
" ..then the Rangers and Hawks somehow leaped over us in the draft and ruin our shot at Hughes"
kilowatt
the vibes are not immaculate
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Look at what they stole from us:
Kempe - Kopitar - Vilardi
Turcotte - Byfield - Kaliyev
Moore - Danault - Laferriere
Iafallo - Thomas - Kupari
Anderson - Faber
Gavrikov - Clarke
Bjornfot - Spence
Well yeah but then they wouldn’t have made the playoffs and been a coin flip away from hoisting the Cup 3 years in a row.
Why do you want to be the next Buffalo Sabres so bad?
King'sPawn
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Nobody wants to be the Buffalo Sabres.
But every contending team and cup winner built their core through the draft (with Vegas as an outlier, but LA won't get a roster construction opportunity).
Yup. Even the core players of our Cup winning teams were all Kings draftees (Kopi, Doughty, Brownie, Quick, etc.). You win Cups through the draft.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Very sad to hear about the passing of Gann, he was one of the first people I can remember reading Kings news about on the internet.
Nobody argues that doing a traditional rebuild is a recipe for 100% success, just that what the Kings are doing now is indeed a recipe for 100% failure. But ya, unfortunately there are fans (probably ticket holders) who share Axl's sentiment that he'd rather lose in the 1st round than be bad enough to pick in the Top 5.
And to the people posting projected lineups of what could have been, your rosters now are still not cup contending caliber, but they would be cup contending caliber in a year or two had you gone a little further back than just PLD and Fiala trades and went to the real turning point, the Danault signing, the thing that signaled the end of the rebuild and ushered in the black hole era. Take Danault out of your lineups and replace it with top 10 picks in 2022, 2023 (the real disaster draft to miss out on), and yes, you can certainly see the foundations of a Stanley Cup winner. But doing that wouldn't have gotten Bluc the instant gratification that multiple 1st round exits brought.
I think he was saying it in jest, because anytime somebody brings up proper roster construction from the cup winners in a cap world (Chicago, LA, Tampa etc) and trying to emulate that (like Anaheim and SJ are doing) they are met by the usual response from the Axl's and GBH's of the world with the "What about Buffalo?" or "I don't want to be Ottawa" as they defend the Kings ridiculous strategy of trying to construct a black hole roster that has ceiling of one playoff round win.
Nobody argues that doing a traditional rebuild is a recipe for 100% success, just that what the Kings are doing now is indeed a recipe for 100% failure. But ya, unfortunately there are fans (probably ticket holders) who share Axl's sentiment that he'd rather lose in the 1st round than be bad enough to pick in the Top 5.
And to the people posting projected lineups of what could have been, your rosters now are still not cup contending caliber, but they would be cup contending caliber in a year or two had you gone a little further back than just PLD and Fiala trades and went to the real turning point, the Danault signing, the thing that signaled the end of the rebuild and ushered in the black hole era. Take Danault out of your lineups and replace it with top 10 picks in 2022, 2023 (the real disaster draft to miss out on), and yes, you can certainly see the foundations of a Stanley Cup winner. But doing that wouldn't have gotten Bluc the instant gratification that multiple 1st round exits brought.
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King'sPawn
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Fair - sometimes sarcasm is hard to pick up. Especially when I'm fairly dense to other people's humor.
I took it as more serious/sincere when there was a reference to the playoffs being a coin flip away
Lt Dan
F*** your ice cream!
KingsFan7824
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And there's a thousand years to rebuild properly. They chose to go with Kopitar and Doughty, because those specific guys come around once, and they already won with them, and want the feel good story if it ever somehow happened again.
They never had the intention of rebuilding. If they didn't suck at the start of 18-19, theres no couple years to rebuild assets done anyway. They would've kept Muzzin, and Toffoli, and blah, blah, blah.
Most of whom weren't drafted by the master. And we know that core wasn't a real winning one anyway, see the post-Cup years, and because DL had to bring in real men to truly lead them to the Cup.
It's probably unlikely that DL drafts Kopitar and Brown. Kopitar is not Mike Ricci in any way, and the guy stripped Brown of the C after winning brcause he and Sutter didn'tget along. Quick wasn't even a thought, so much so that Bernier was drafted at DL's first draft.
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Going with 11 & 8 was fine in principle if they used them properly. If they used them as experienced vets to provide solid ‘scaffolding’ for young prospects it’s a sound strategy. It just needed patience. They (Luc IMO) then jumped the gun, for whatever reason. Sure it may have been another couple of years missing the play-offs but now there would be a much more solid foundation in place with an established new core. There should then have been a chance for 11/8 to get a run in the last year or two of their careers. More importantly there would be ea new core, raised by the vets, that would then allow the Kings to compete at the top end for a sustained period. Sure there is a lot that can go wrong with any strategy but with competent drafting and development it pretty much guarantees a competitive team, if not a cup.
The approach was fine but the execution, hampered by exiting the rebuild 2 seasons early, has been a clumsy mess.
I’m hardly posting as it’s just replying to rehashed, repeated posts bitching about the same stuff, mostly the same 2 or 3 trades and couple of questionable development decisions which is utterly boring to me (even if the posts are correct). However your thousand years comment made me bite (not saying that’s a bad thing)… it doesn’t take an additional thousand years… they just needed an extra 2.
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What are you yapping about?? They won with those guys playing and in the system still.. that 1 series versus the oilers 3 years ago was our best result against them and it was made up of mercenaries, Ontario Reign Dmen and no Fiala, Gavrikov and PLD
bland
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It's still astonishing to me that you have to spell out each step for some folks to understand this stuff - so I stopped trying and put the dullards on ignore. Couldn't care less what they choose to say, just a waste of time.
