Proposal: Andersson to Buffalo

[Ledge And Dairy]

I mean I like the guy but he was the worst Dman for +- and overall on the flames. I know that's not a be all end all on evaluating a player but it's certainly a stat that can't be ignored, given anyone he played with was better away from him.
He was great last year but wasn't great this year.
Byram for him sounds more realistic.

If you scroll up I've explained why his +/- does not match his play at all in 2 different ways. A large chunk has to do with him being on the ice for a bunch of OT goals, empty net goals, and goals against on the power play. As for 5v5, his actual goals for per 60 was bottom 10 in the league whereas his analytics ranked him top 50. He tied his career high in goals, it's his assists that dropped off, meaning his teammates couldn't score. Scoring was a problem all year in Calgary. It's the same reason why Huberdeau had the same amount of primary points as guys like Eichel and Keller, yet finished with 30 less points.

 

[Satanphonehome]

I mean, the Flames got Bahl + first for Markstrom. They got Brustewicz + first + for Lindholm. Nelson just got a first + Ritchie +

I don’t see why Andersson returns any less than those guys.

I think this is a lot closer to where I'd peg an unsigned Andersson's return: a mid- to late first and a similar prospect.

Nowhere in these packages do I see a top 10 pick, a 23-year-old defenceman who was +11 playing 1st-pairing minutes on a bad team and 15th in ES scoring among NHL blueliners, or a 23-year-old winger who put up nearly 70 points in his 3rd year.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Perhaps because Calgary's overall defensive quality has eroded, Rasmus Andersson just had a season where his analytical value is closer to zero. Not a good season. And he's one year from UFA.

Given that, the asks are kind of over the top. There's surprisingly not many U24 players who have been more productive than JJ Peterka.

And Ostlund and Kulich are high end prospects. You'd think Calgary might be the one to add if they want a piece of that caliber.

Last year Buffalo traded a "high end prospect" for a 3rd line center and have appeared to win that trade by a landslide so far.

Sabres can keep collecting all the "high end" prospects they want but if they aren't actively helping a desperate team get closer to the playoffs, they are simply just prospects.

You have to basically force a winning culture into the organization and taking some "projected value losses" to do that is worth it in the long run because your core guys will want to be there and other players will want to come there.

 

[Satanphonehome]

Last year Buffalo traded a "high end prospect" for a 3rd line center and have appeared to win that trade by a landslide so far.

Sabres can keep collecting all the "high end" prospects they want but if they aren't actively helping a desperate team get closer to the playoffs, they are simply just prospects.

You have to basically force a winning culture into the organization and taking some "projected value losses" to do that is worth it in the long run because your core guys will want to be there and other players will want to come there.

This might be true, but it's not relevant to the discussion at hand.

The Sabres aren't being asked to trade Ostlund or Kulich for a 24-year-centre with 3 years team control and possible upside who will be there for the long run, they're trading him for one year of a very good defenceman.

 

[Uberpecker]

Ok. I'll play.

To Buffalo
Rasmus Andersson

To Calgary
Ryan McLeod
2025 2nd
Nikita Novikov

Doesn't really work for BUF. McLeod is a player they need with no good replacement.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

This might be true, but it's not relevant to the discussion at hand.

The Sabres aren't being asked to trade Ostlund or Kulich for a 24-year-centre with 3 years team control and possible upside who will be there for the long run, they're trading him for one year of a very good defenceman.

I'm not going to debate Kulich since he is a regular NHLer in my eyes, but Ostlund is not anything more than a prospect. Sabres management needs to identify who are guys that can be locker room leaders to develop and maintain a winning culture, while also addressing on ice needs, and go out and get them even if it's an overpayment.

Trying to say a D+4 prospect not in the NHL, like Ostlund, is more valuable to your team is ridiculous

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I think this is a lot closer to where I'd peg an unsigned Andersson's return: a mid- to late first and a similar prospect.

Nowhere in these packages do I see a top 10 pick, a 23-year-old defenceman who was +11 playing 1st-pairing minutes on a bad team and 15th in ES scoring among NHL blueliners, or a 23-year-old winger who put up nearly 70 points in his 3rd year.

I said Kulich who had 24 points. A good prospect but not vastly superior to Cal Ritchie.

Or a guy who had .75 ppg in the AHL plus a move up in the draft.

Byram is rumoured to be potentially moved, personally I think a LD for RD would make sense for Buffalo. I think Ras would be a great option for Power or Dahlin, Ras and Hanifin were one of the best pairs in the league for years, and I see a lot of comparability between your guys and Hanifin. He’s also a verbal leader which I think your team could use. If he’s willing to stay I think it’s a solid trade for Buffalo. If you don’t like it that’s fine but I don’t think it’s as far fetched as you are saying.

I never said anything about Peterka as you are suggesting.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

I'm not going to debate Kulich since he is a regular NHLer in my eyes, but Ostlund is not anything more than a prospect. Sabres management needs to identify who are guys that can be locker room leaders to develop and maintain a winning culture, while also addressing on ice needs, and go out and get them even if it's an overpayment.

Trying to say a D+4 prospect not in the NHL, like Ostlund, is more valuable to your team is ridiculous

The Sabres need a leader for longer than 1 season. Saying a prospect is more valuable to a non-playoff team than a rental is conventionally logical.

 

[KeyserSoze81]

Andersson would pair nicely with Dahlin on the top pairing for buffalo.

Would something around Samuelsson, Krebs and a pick be good starting ground?

As a Sabres "fan": Samuelsson's value is slightly negative, and Krebs is slightly positive (as a fringe third liner who can backfill lots of roles). I feel like their value is close to a wash, so you are kinda just getting the pick and 2 fewer contract slots.

If he pick is 9th overall, I would say the value is pretty close?

 

[Satanphonehome]

I'm not going to debate Kulich since he is a regular NHLer in my eyes, but Ostlund is not anything more than a prospect. Sabres management needs to identify who are guys that can be locker room leaders to develop and maintain a winning culture, while also addressing on ice needs, and go out and get them even if it's an overpayment.

Trying to say a D+4 prospect not in the NHL, like Ostlund, is more valuable to your team is ridiculous

The bold is not what we’re talking about though with an Andersson unwilling to sign an extension. We’re talking about a mercenary expressly unwilling to commit to “developing and maintaining a winning culture” who is explicitly putting in his time in order to go to a place where that already exists.

You won’t find many Sabres fans unwilling to trade prospects like Ostlund for the type of player you describe. In fact, it’s exactly what most of them want.

Where you’re making your mistake is framing it as an either/or of Andersson/Ostlund. Because that’s not what’s on the table; it’s Ostlund+ for Andersson versus what else such a package might yield.

If the market of an Ostlund is similar to the market for Savoie, I’d prefer trading him for someone with a age/control/upside profile like McLeod’s than Andersson’s one-and-done.

 

[HighLifeMan]

Rasmus clearly wouldn't be accepting a trade to Buffalo unless he has an extension at a good number locked up so this whole one year rental talk to diminish his value is moot to begin with.

 

[Satanphonehome]

I said Kulich who had 24 points. A good prospect but not vastly superior to Cal Ritchie.

Or a guy who had .75 ppg in the AHL plus a move up in the draft.

Byram is rumoured to be potentially moved, personally I think a LD for RD would make sense for Buffalo. I think Ras would be a great option for Power or Dahlin, Ras and Hanifin were one of the best pairs in the league for years, and I see a lot of comparability between your guys and Hanifin. He’s also a verbal leader which I think your team could use. If he’s willing to stay I think it’s a solid trade for Buffalo. If you don’t like it that’s fine but I don’t think it’s as far fetched as you are saying.

I never said anything about Peterka as you are suggesting.

I was responding to the thread in general.

I think Ras is a great fit for the Sabres and would pay a lot to acquire him, but only if he is interested in signing.

 

[MrLunatik]

As a Sabres "fan": Samuelsson's value is slightly negative, and Krebs is slightly positive (as a fringe third liner who can backfill lots of roles). I feel like their value is close to a wash, so you are kinda just getting the pick and 2 fewer contract slots.

If he pick is 9th overall, I would say the value is pretty close?

Elsewhere a couple Sabres fans and I have agreed that #9 and Quinn for #18 and Andersson would be pretty close in value.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

The Sabres need a leader for longer than 1 season. Saying a prospect is more valuable to a non-playoff team than a rental is conventionally logical.

All my posts assume Calgary allows Andersson to discuss and agree to an extension in advance. I don't expect Buffalo to go for him if he's not willing to sign there.

 

[Beerz]

Elsewhere a couple Sabres fans and I have agreed that #9 and Quinn for #18 and Andersson would be pretty close in value.

Maybe a signed Andersson... This just seems foolish for Buffalo otherwise.

 

[MrLunatik]

Maybe a signed Andersson... This just seems foolish for Buffalo otherwise.

it's based on the notion there would be a verbal agreement in place to extend on Jul 1

 

[MOGlLNY]

Love Andersson but he's a bit redundant in Buffalo and I don't want to be the guy to pay him his extension when his play has already been slipping a bit.

Now if you wanna talk Weegar

 

[Baksfamous112]

To get Andersson? Not close.
Byram + Paterka. Getting a player like Andersson will be painful.

Even a sogned Andersson at a reasonable cap hit wouldn’t get half of that.