Anders Lee

[Jester9881]

he's a much smarter player now. That year in the AHL did wonders for him, for his speed and his decision making. He always had a go-to-the-net mentality and that's what will make him successful at the NHL level.

Strome will be a much better offensive player than Lee but in a completely different way. Strome's a passer, he's got excellent vision but he needs to be with players that complement his game - ie. NOT McDonald and Martin like yesterday. You couldn't pick two worse wingers for Strome if you tried - Capuano's got that type of ability though

These are two great prospects and although Vanek was a much better player TODAY (with his offensive skills anyway), I'm not too fussed about losing Vanek and saving all that money that Snow/Wang certainly wouldn't have spent upgrading the team in other areas if he'd signed.

Of course, Wang and Snow will find a way to cheap out on defense and goaltending before training camp, just like the last, well ALL, years.

I'd like to say that the linemate thing is a big part of his problem.... but I'm having a hard time making that connection. When Brock Nelson was anchored with the same players, he was still highly noticeable out there on the ice.... carrying the puck, driving to the front of the net, winning battles in the corners. Ryan Strome is doing none of those things. Last night I noticed he wasn't even trying to exert himself along the walls and kinda just sat back a foot or two away. When he handles the puck under pressure, he binds up like he's frightened to make a mistake. You can tell the speed is something he still needs to adjust to.

The first thing this coaching staff needs to do is push him back to wing, tell him to work on carrying the puck more and send him back down for a few games to get acclimated in a low pressure environment.

 

[PK Cronin]

I'd like to say that the linemate thing is a big part of his problem.... but I'm having a hard time making that connection. When Brock Nelson was anchored with the same players, he was still highly noticeable out there on the ice.... carrying the puck, driving to the front of the net, winning battles in the corners. Ryan Strome is doing none of those things. Last night I noticed he wasn't even trying to exert himself along the walls and kinda just sat back a foot or two away. When he handles the puck under pressure, he binds up like he's frightened to make a mistake. You can tell the speed is something he still needs to adjust to.

The first thing this coaching staff needs to do is push him back to wing, tell him to work on carrying the puck more and send him back down for a few games to get acclimated in a low pressure environment.

Sending him down isn't going to do anything for his game. He's already established himself as a dominant AHL player.

He and Nelson aren't the same type of player, and they aren't going to be noticed in the same way. Nelson can play a more physical game and not have it impact him negatively, Strome can't. Nelson is much more of a bull with the puck than Strome is. When I watch him play, I see more of a Patrick Kane style of play, who also shies away from contact.

The speed of the game impacts him, for sure, as he does seem like he's feeling a lot of pressure...but you can't compare him and Nelson playing with the same line, since they don't play the same style.

 

[beach]

Sending him down isn't going to do anything for his game. He's already established himself as a dominant AHL player.

He and Nelson aren't the same type of player, and they aren't going to be noticed in the same way. Nelson can play a more physical game and not have it impact him negatively, Strome can't. Nelson is much more of a bull with the puck than Strome is. When I watch him play, I see more of a Patrick Kane style of play, who also shies away from contact.

The speed of the game impacts him, for sure, as he does seem like he's feeling a lot of pressure...but you can't compare he and Nelson playing with the same line, since they don't play the same style.

Yes, so far Strome's presence has been very Bailey-like. Uh-ohhhhhhhh.

 

[CREW99AW]

Yes, so far Strome's presence has been very Bailey-like. Uh-ohhhhhhhh.

9 pts in his first 23 NHL games. Why isn't this 20 year old more consistent

 

[PK Cronin]

Yes, so far Strome's presence has been very Bailey-like. Uh-ohhhhhhhh.

Both suffer from the same problem, the coach.

 

[Jester9881]

Disagree on both points..

Sending him down isn't going to do anything for his game. He's already established himself as a dominant AHL player.

A dominant AHL player that needs to work on areas to become effective at the NHL level.

He and Nelson aren't the same type of player, and they aren't going to be noticed in the same way. Nelson can play a more physical game and not have it impact him negatively, Strome can't. Nelson is much more of a bull with the puck than Strome is. When I watch him play, I see more of a Patrick Kane style of play, who also shies away from contact.

Patrick Kane literally does everything I said Strome lacked in the post you're replying to. His board work isn't great, but it's there.

The speed of the game impacts him, for sure, as he does seem like he's feeling a lot of pressure...but you can't compare him and Nelson playing with the same line, since they don't play the same style.

I can, and I did.

Strome and Nelson are different players, but nothing I mentioned differentiates their playing styles. They are merely aspects to every good NHL players game in varying degrees.

 

[Jester9881]

I'm no fan of Cappy, but I refuse to blame Stromes play on him. The kid isn't ready for the NHL, and there's a chance his game might never translate over.

 

[Brunomics]

I'm no fan of Cappy, but I refuse to blame Stromes play on him. The kid isn't ready for the NHL, and there's a chance his game might never translate over.

I think strome will be fine. I expect him to put on some muscle in the off-season and to hit the ground running next season.

 

[Jester9881]

I think strome will be fine. I expect him to put on some muscle in the off-season and to hit the ground running next season.

I think he's got the tools to succeed right now. I don't see him adding to much more muscle to his frame. Right now he lacks puck poise more than anything.... because of that he isn't carrying the puck as much. When an offensive minded player isn't carrying the puck, they need to get into the scoring areas and play puck support along the wall. I don't see him doing that, and you can't blame that on line mates.

IMO, the best bet for him right now is to get more confidence carrying the puck. Someone compared him to Pat Kane.... if he were able to at least carry the puck into the zone like Patty Kane, I might be inclined to agree. Right now he just has the potential to be like Pat Kane.

 

[Crimson Live]

I believe Strome has his own thread lets move this conversation there...

 

[A Pointed Stick]

Mods - Can we move the Strome discussion to the Strome thread? It is a good discussion and worthy of its own thread, plus it will allow for more awesome praise of beastLee.

 

[mitchy22]

I'm no fan of Cappy, but I refuse to blame Stromes play on him. The kid isn't ready for the NHL, and there's a chance his game might never translate over.

The kid isn't ready to play a shutdown role or line up against bigger centers, but his skills are still rather obvious. We have a talented, young forward playing between two grinders right now. The line is ill-conceived and it shows.

Strome is just another in a growing list of talented players that we bog down with linemates who can't read the play nearly as well. We shouldn't even be playing the kid as a center at this point, but now the coaching staff thinks it makes sense to put him between some grinders? For what reason? Are we trying to use Strome to get the grinders going?

People complain about how we handled Nino, but now we're selling Strome short when putting him in the least likely position to succeed offensively. If we want him to learn the defensive side of the game, maybe we shouldn't put him right into the center position to do so? He isn't big enough yet to handle that, so why are we trying it out?

This is all on Cappy. There are more than enough larger forwards now to build four lines that can compete. We have raw players and I expect mistakes, but I also expect our lines to make sense.

Who gives a crap about Nielsen being our #1 center? Unless we're using this to boost Nielsen's value for a trade, we already know who our #1 center of the future is. Why not use this as an opportunity to try out our prospects in a bigger role instead? If we're going to use Nielsen as our #1 center, why not build a second line that combines the talents we're trying to figure out for the rest of the season? I'm okay with Nielsen in the #1 slot if it's to afford other guys a chance to play against lesser competition.

Lee-Nielsen-KO
Bailey-Nelson-Strome
Martin-Cizikas-McDonald
Halmo-Sundstrom-Clutterbuck

Two grinding lines and two scoring lines. Give Cizikas some true checking assignments and see if the previous 4th line can take it. Cizikas is built more for that task than Strome right now. Get some more draws under his belt. The lineup above needs improvement, but at least we're testing out the right personnel for future positions. If they want to put Strome at center, then pop him in between Lee and KO. Otherwise, we need to see what Strome and Bailey can do on the wings with a bigger kid down the middle.

I don't want to see more players damaged because our coach has no ****ing clue how to build complementary lines.

,
Mitch

 

[mitchy22]

Mods - Can we move the Strome discussion to the Strome thread? It is a good discussion and worthy of its own thread, plus it will allow for more awesome praise of beastLee.

Good idea. Feel free to move my monstrosity there, as well.

,
Mitch

 

[OlTimeHockey]

Disagree on both points..



A dominant AHL player that needs to work on areas to become effective at the NHL level.



Patrick Kane literally does everything I said Strome lacked in the post you're replying to. His board work isn't great, but it's there.



I can, and I did.

Strome and Nelson are different players, but nothing I mentioned differentiates their playing styles. They are merely aspects to every good NHL players game in varying degrees.

Young, can go back to the AHL to grow parts of his game, fix his game, come back strong.....yes, Thank you.

The next person to cite the DP mantra, "proven all he could at that level," gets smacked in the face with a rotted trout.

ON TOPIC: Lee's showing guts and hard work and will improve when he further learns NHL routine. Just keep going to the net, fighting along the boards and work hard on learning everyone on the bench {camp would help} so he can improve on his passing game and set up plays better. If he and KO are together with JT, you have a one two punch on the wings to take the net and cover behind the net and rotate along the corners to REALLY help keep the offensive zone and maintain pressure.

He's been my pick for best surprise since we drafted him. I guess everybody has their own Petrov.....with varying degrees of sanity, mind you.

 

[mitchy22]

Young, can go back to the AHL to grow parts of his game, fix his game, come back strong.....yes, Thank you.

The next person to cite the DP mantra, "proven all he could at that level," gets smacked in the face with a rotted trout.

The problem with this line of thinking is that the current situation we're in makes it less advisable than it normally would be to "send a guy down to improve".

We've basically just gutted the AHL team to support the NHL team. When the talent is all at the NHL level, then you need to keep the talented prospects in that place. Until we spend at the NHL level, or a couple more years of development happen, we're going to see the ****** scenario we're currently in repeat itself.

Take a good look at what's down there now:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0026712014.html

http://www.soundtigers.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPID=44754&SPSID=363051

Strome is better off here as a winger for the remainder of the NHL season than he is centering what is left in the AHL right now. (Of course, we're misusing him as a center between two grinders right now, but that's a separate problem.) Under normal NHL conditions, you are 100% correct. Unfortunately, our team is currently not running under normal NHL conditions.

,
Mitch

 

[Jester9881]

The kid isn't ready to play a shutdown role or line up against bigger centers, but his skills are still rather obvious. We have a talented, young forward playing between two grinders right now. The line is ill-conceived and it shows.

Strome is just another in a growing list of talented players that we bog down with linemates who can't read the play nearly as well. We shouldn't even be playing the kid as a center at this point, but now the coaching staff thinks it makes sense to put him between some grinders? For what reason? Are we trying to use Strome to get the grinders going?

People complain about how we handled Nino, but now we're selling Strome short when putting him in the least likely position to succeed offensively. If we want him to learn the defensive side of the game, maybe we shouldn't put him right into the center position to do so? He isn't big enough yet to handle that, so why are we trying it out?

This is all on Cappy. There are more than enough larger forwards now to build four lines that can compete. We have raw players and I expect mistakes, but I also expect our lines to make sense.

Who gives a crap about Nielsen being our #1 center? Unless we're using this to boost Nielsen's value for a trade, we already know who our #1 center of the future is. Why not use this as an opportunity to try out our prospects in a bigger role instead? If we're going to use Nielsen as our #1 center, why not build a second line that combines the talents we're trying to figure out for the rest of the season? I'm okay with Nielsen in the #1 slot if it's to afford other guys a chance to play against lesser competition.

Lee-Nielsen-KO
Bailey-Nelson-Strome
Martin-Cizikas-McDonald
Halmo-Sundstrom-Clutterbuck

Two grinding lines and two scoring lines. Give Cizikas some true checking assignments and see if the previous 4th line can take it. Cizikas is built more for that task than Strome right now. Get some more draws under his belt. The lineup above needs improvement, but at least we're testing out the right personnel for future positions. If they want to put Strome at center, then pop him in between Lee and KO. Otherwise, we need to see what Strome and Bailey can do on the wings with a bigger kid down the middle.

I don't want to see more players damaged because our coach has no ****ing clue how to build complementary lines.

,
Mitch

Separate your want for the kid to succeed from what your eyes are actually telling you. Then watch what is actually happening and understand that everything I said is one hundred percent true and has nothing to do with the type of player he is, nor who he is lined up with. Brock Nelson is playing with Bailey and Clutterbuck tonight and his presence is evident every single time he's on the ice. The kid isn't a bust, and his skills are evident... but he's not ready for the NHL. There are glaring problems with his game that will hold him back if not rectified, and it has absolutely nothing to do with his linemates.

Handling the puck like it's a hand grenade has nothing to do with his linemates.

Avoiding the scoring areas has nothing to do with his linemates

Waiting for the play to come to him, instead of making the play.... has nothing to do with his linemates.

 

[Jester9881]

Young, can go back to the AHL to grow parts of his game, fix his game, come back strong.....yes, Thank you.

The next person to cite the DP mantra, "proven all he could at that level," gets smacked in the face with a rotted trout.

ON TOPIC: Lee's showing guts and hard work and will improve when he further learns NHL routine. Just keep going to the net, fighting along the boards and work hard on learning everyone on the bench {camp would help} so he can improve on his passing game and set up plays better. If he and KO are together with JT, you have a one two punch on the wings to take the net and cover behind the net and rotate along the corners to REALLY help keep the offensive zone and maintain pressure.

He's been my pick for best surprise since we drafted him. I guess everybody has their own Petrov.....with varying degrees of sanity, mind you.

You know it's funny, I've been killed here before for saying certain prospects are ready before they've played in the AHL. This is a prime example of why I always say that no two prospects are alike, and none of them develop at the same pace. When they're ready, they're ready and they will let you know.

 

[Jester9881]

The problem with this line of thinking is that the current situation we're in makes it less advisable than it normally would be to "send a guy down to improve".

We've basically just gutted the AHL team to support the NHL team. When the talent is all at the NHL level, then you need to keep the talented prospects in that place. Until we spend at the NHL level, or a couple more years of development happen, we're going to see the ****** scenario we're currently in repeat itself.

Take a good look at what's down there now:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0026712014.html

http://www.soundtigers.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPID=44754&SPSID=363051

Strome is better off here as a winger for the remainder of the NHL season than he is centering what is left in the AHL right now. (Of course, we're misusing him as a center between two grinders right now, but that's a separate problem.) Under normal NHL conditions, you are 100% correct. Unfortunately, our team is currently not running under normal NHL conditions.

,
Mitch

By that mindset, why would anyone send their prospects down when there is more talent on the NHL roster? That's some really flawed logic. Send the kid where he can get more ice time to work on his flaws, and do it against easier competition.

 

[A Pointed Stick]

Another game and another point for Lee. When does his point scoring streak get recognized by the national media?

 

[bossy22]

Me likey!

Can't fight developing man crush.

 

[mitchy22]

Separate your want for the kid to succeed from what your eyes are actually telling you. Then watch what is actually happening and understand that everything I said is one hundred percent true and has nothing to do with the type of player he is, nor who he is lined up with. Brock Nelson is playing with Bailey and Clutterbuck tonight and his presence is evident every single time he's on the ice. The kid isn't a bust, and his skills are evident... but he's not ready for the NHL. There are glaring problems with his game that will hold him back if not rectified, and it has absolutely nothing to do with his linemates.

Handling the puck like it's a hand grenade has nothing to do with his linemates.

Avoiding the scoring areas has nothing to do with his linemates

Waiting for the play to come to him, instead of making the play.... has nothing to do with his linemates.

Obviously, we're seeing different things on the ice. That's rather presumptuous of you to think that what I'm seeing is so easily colored by what I "want" for the kid. I don't see how Ryan Strome is avoiding the front of the net. Look at how many times he was in front of the net when scrums were going on the past couple of games.

By that mindset, why would anyone send their prospects down when there is more talent on the NHL roster? That's some really flawed logic. Send the kid where he can get more ice time to work on his flaws, and do it against easier competition.

The key word that you missed in my comment was "ALL". We've basically gutted the AHL team to support the NHL squad. You want your talented playmaking prospect to play with other players who can use those skills. You want those skills to develop. Strome isn't small to the point where he can't play here at all, but he's small to the point where he really shouldn't be lining up at center at this time.

But yeah, Anders Lee - much bigger kid, more physically developed who seems to have a natural talent for scoring goals. Right now, he's playing with more talented linemates and producing very well.

,
Mitch

 

[mitchy22]

Another game and another point for Lee. When does his point scoring streak get recognized by the national media?

Other than fantasy sites, I'd imagine he'd have to take this streak almost to the end of the season for it to get some kind of national attention purely by what he's doing on his own.

If KO gets the national attention he deserves at some point, then maybe Lee and Nielsen get nods in that same article before then. It's a really, really nice start, but still a small sample size.

Let him go unnoticed until next season so teams don't know what to expect if he ends up as JT's left winger.

,
Mitch

 

[nc1972]

Back to Lee

So how many of you have been told or heard of pucks to the net pucks to the net.This kids game is so simple yet effective I love it. When he's not taking a beating in front of the net or working the corners all he consistently does is get pucks to the net. Why is this so hard for others to follow this guy just gets it. Drive the net get pucks to the net
this is where the majority of goals are scored be willing to pay the price. Having the hunger to score and having the body to do so is what separates Lee's simple game from the rest.Yes agreed its early and the NHL season is a long grind however his game at every level has been remarkably similar. There is an expression K.I.S.S. meaning keep it simple stupid, no slight at Lee by any means but it pretty much sums up his game and I'm looking forward to seeing it for an entire season.

 

[Riseonfire]

This kid is just so damn athletic. Remember those "What is LeBron played hockey?" Threads? Well here's the lite version. Let's see what we get.

 

[Poliz24]

Bump. He has somewhat cooled off as the season progressed. I still think he has to be on the Island start of next year, but development is still important for him. I'm not too concerned getting ice time against NHL teams will make the game slower for him eventually.