Id take all these drafts over the ones prior highlighted by the likes of Cornell and karabacek etc. We bled middle round picks for years on busts. Even guys like Bailey and Baptiste have nhl games but little to no impact.
Trade your draft capital then lol. (Ik ik easy to say looking back haha)The issue with the Karabacek draft year is also something to consider - not every draft year is this same. Fifteen guys in the 2nd round of that 2014 draft didn’t play at least five NHL games. Twelve didn’t even play one NHL game.
Lundell should be entertainedJarvis is the only player on that list that I'd even entertain the conversation for.
Trade your draft capital then lol. (Ik ik easy to say looking back haha)
Quinn has played 108gms. One more than Rossi (107gms) and only 35 fewer than Perfetti (143gms). Thats not quite “barely playing” even if he has missed a decent amount of time.Jack Quinn is not a B. For his spot id call him a D. The dude has barely played, barely had any impact and a handful of consistent and good players were picked after him: Mercer, Perfetti, Rossi, Askarov, Lundell, Jarvis
Anytime Tage and Cozens were both healthy Mitts was deployed as the 3C on this time.he was actually the top center from the end of 22-23 until his trade
That's fair. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly but that was Portillo's choice to move and not the FO'sIt's probably my harshest grade. I frankly am not happy with trading Portillo for another pick 4 years later - I think that's bad asset management.
Yea, Portillo wanted out because Levi came in and was crowned the future. I think Adams could have managed that relationship a bit better, but regardless, here we are, hoping that Mccarthey can develop into something valuable over the next 3-4 years.That's fair. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly but that was Portillo's choice to move and not the FO's
To address some of the questions:
1) I weigh the ability to find AHL talent in rounds 4-7. If I'm a GM, my GOAL is to find a guy who deserves an ELC or AHL deal. Will every guy achieve that? No. But if I'm a GM I wouldn't want to hear anyone in my org tell me "well if we draft this guy and don't give him a contract it's ok". Even though we all know that is the result.
2) Regarding players who were traded before playing with the org (Portillo/Pu), I took that into consideration and measured against the quality of the selections around them and how they may have impacted the org if they were selected instead. Pu with an F is probably my harshest grade, but when 10 of the next 20 picks play NHL games, and our guy was a throw in for Skinner (again, I'm probably overly harsh here) that's not the value I'd look for. Comparable to Josh Bloom, who gets dealt for ultimately a few games of a player. In the 3rd round, I'd want a guy who at least looks to be a solid AHL talent with NHL upside.
3) Portillo is a harsh grade because 60% of the next 14 players selected after him have played NHL games for their clubs. Portillo is not a bad pick in pure value, but the organization didn't manage that relationship well, and the impact to the org is taking a pick in 2019 and turning it into a pick in 2023. Pure value, probably a C grade. Organizational impacts? F.
4) Also, to be fair - I dont rate each round equally. I didnt want to make the post too long, but for any picks in rounds 4-7, if they played any organizational games (AHL) it couldn't be an F. If they were a consistent AHL contributor, they were a C (my goal of what I would want from a late round pick). If they were a strong AHL guy, a B. And an NHL player - an A.
5) I am about as staunch of a supporter of front offices as anyone on this board. I dont think a B- grade in a draft is a bad thing. That's above expectations. Maybe I could make small adjustments to 2019 to bump our overall drafting from a C to a C+, but it plays to a larger point - from 2016-2020 we simply did not do a good enough job finding organizational talent outside of the first round. Fortunately, we've seemed to improve on this for 2021 and 2022
Within 5 picks is s better judge...but...you nerd to factor in team needs st the time, not currrntly.I tried to focus on players who were selected generally after our pick. Say within the next 5-15 picks. I understand that boards for teams are all different, but without knowing the Sabres board in each draft the overall selections are all I have to go by.
Organizational development is a huge variable, I thought it would be quite hard to standardize so I removed it altogether. With that said, especially for the later rounds, I gave a fair grade to players who simply showed positive development in any capacity while they weren't with the Sabres or Amerks.
EDIT: To add to this - I agree with your last point - we are a very average team when it comes to drafting. We have pros and cons, but overall we are average (hence the C grade)
That's a strategy of course - I know Adams has specifically called this out in his management of the draftMany Gzms usually draft college bound or eu tg o players mesningvthrh likelyy wont be in AHL for 3-4 yrs ot more.
I think you may be typing on your phone, so it's a bit hard to understand. But if what you are saying is that a team is expecting 4-5 ELCs to be added each year, I think that's fair. AHL deals are another component as well.Many guns dont drsft for AHL. With sd n AzhL roster you might look for 4'5 new ELCs each year. Somr of th these can be sliding 28/19 yr old, some could start ELC st 23. 15 of a 23 nsn roster are ELCd as nd then you have 8'10 veteran AHLers or post ELC players
I'm aware that Portillo is a goalie - I think I've even mentioned that in previous points. Goalies do develop later, which I took into consideration against their grade (UPL for example).Portillo is s GOALIE....let me say that sgsin... GOALIE...he went to college for 4 full years and is playing in AHL where they get an extra ELC yr usually. Goalies develop later on around 6-7 yrs post draft
They gota 3rd for a player who could walk.....who was a 4rd RD player is a penalty WTF
Ok - I also considered organizational games in this, if a 5th round pick was signed and played 3-4 years for the AHL team, that's better than a 5th round pick who was never signedMaking the nhl is far fifferrnt than regularly playing. With 5th or later round picks I would never upgrade a pick because a gm was nice inv as done sesson and let the 3rd yr ELC player an nhl game or 3 who they may have no intentions on resigning due to depth.
And I gave Cozens an A, Ryjo looks to be a safe bottom pairing type guy, and some selections after him are similar - hence the C. Portillo I already explained, and Rousek I gave a B because he is a 14th forward who frankly is going to Europe after this season barring something unexpectedThe draft scoring for 2019 is not a C. You drafted a strong p ln ayer in Cozens. Ryjo is a strong prospect in A. And Portillo is a decent g prosprct with the kings now. Therr are two others in Rousek and thr one still in college.
That's fair to consider team needs at time of the draft, however team needs really only play in during the first round or two. Once you hit that 3rd round and on, I think BPA plays a much larger role than player type or org fit. However, I did consider this lightly when comparing players drafted after our guys at the same position or player typeWithin 5 picks is s better judge...but...you nerd to factor in team needs st the time, not currrntly.
An example is NJ they drafted a RD st around 20. The next 3 yrs they draft Hughes and nrmic making that 2o Oza a tradable item. He became a trsde pawn. I hsbr mo idea what he will become in 5 yrs but at the time of the trade he was a onr of the best prospects to get in a trade
Yes nylander has done nothing. But at the time of trade he still had value and they moved him for needs elsewhere.
Prospect development is so situationally based from being rushed to being caught behind added depth and not given a chance to develop
Problem when Levi was acquired Portillo had done nothing yet. Portillo was a goalie prospect and he wanted more depth.Yea, Portillo wanted out because Levi came in and was crowned the future. I think Adams could have managed that relationship a +1bit better, but regardless, here we are, hoping that Mccarthey can develop into something valuable over the next 3-4 years.