Proposal: Anaheim-Edmonton

[FiveTacos]

Cap is a trade asset and capital. I cheer for a team that never has cap space.

Well that's wonderful if your team is contending, but rebuilding teams shouldn't be in the habit of spending to the cap.

Who said to trade him for nothing to clear cap space?

For simplicity

11 mil for Dostal and Gibson next season

OR

5 mil for Dostal (I'm guessing here and could be way off!)
1 mil for a backup

A 1m backup is probably a complete unknown, or a pretty crappy backup. Look at the guys who signed for 1m or less last summer, it's not a pretty list. And all it would take is one Dostal injury and the team would have a guy like what, James Reimer as their starter? Pretty frightening.

5 mil of cap space towards UFA signings that can bolster the lineup elsewhere

Easy to say just go sign UFAs, but, 1) someone you like and fits what you need has to be available, and 2) is willing to sign with a rebuilding team for that amount, and 3) you might very well be stuck with a longer term on that 5m than you would with Gibson, where they get out of it completely just when they're going to need that cap space for all those young guys coming off their ELCs and/or bridge deals. Also that kind of money isn't what it used to be .... 5m a few years ago was only enough to get them a middling forward like Ryan Strome, it probably buys them less than that now. And if the target is one of the big names, they already have enough cap space to do that, they don't need to clear an "extra" 5m to pull it off.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

i would of rather overpaid for Blackwood, this package is insane. Goalies do not have this kind of value, even at 50% retained. Hard pass from this Oiler fan, and I'm a fan of John Gibson, but his age, injury history, and inconsistency would scare me from making this deal for him.

Let’s not overcomplicate things. Gibson @ 50% for EDM 1st round pick. Who says no?

that's much closer imo. I think the Ducks pass. Oilers would have to decide where they want to spend their cap space and assets, and my guess is it isn't on a goalie. So, I feel both teams pass.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

i would of rather overpaid for Blackwood, this package is insane. Goalies do not have this kind of value, even at 50% retained. Hard pass from this Oiler fan, and I'm a fan of John Gibson, but his age, injury history, and inconsistency would scare me from making this deal for him.


that's much closer imo. I think the Ducks pass. Oilers would have to decide where they want to spend their cap space and assets, and my guess is it isn't on a goalie. So, I feel both teams pass.

To be fair an oiler fan made the thread

Most Anaheim fans would prob be cool with a 1st for gibson at 50%…. Maybe some sort of usable cap (goalie/7th dmen etc)

 

[Rec T]

Cap is a trade asset and capital. I cheer for a team that never has cap space.

Who said to trade him for nothing to clear cap space?

For simplicity

11 mil for Dostal and Gibson next season

OR

5 mil for Dostal (I'm guessing here and could be way off!)
1 mil for a backup
5 mil of cap space towards UFA signings that can bolster the lineup elsewhere
whatever you picked up in the trade for Gibson (players, picks etc)

In addition to Five Taco's good points,

We're assuming that Gibson will waive for most any team. Teams that could eat his full cap hit are probably those that he wouldn't want to go to for various reasons. So to move him to a team that's acceptable, the Ducks will have to retain (at up to 3.2 million/yr). Suddenly that 1 million backup has become up to a 4.2 million backup (to say nothing about the owners 'really' not liking paying players/coaches who aren't contributing to the team any longer...).

Then toss in that for whatever reason, goalies don't return much in trades. So whatever return they got probably isn't all that overwhelming.

So, pay $4.2 million (plus whatever those traded for pieces need) and have a lesser goalie duo (and grumpy owners)... or ... keep him for another year for a couple million more/ essentially a wash after paying the traded player's salaries.

That five million in freed up cap space has been reduced to probably less than a league minimum contract.

So there's really zero reason to move him unless it would be stupid to turn the deal down.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Pickard is better than Skinner and has a better cap hit.

Pickard is good value for his contract but he’s abysmal on the PK while posting strong metrics during 5v5 play. Teams better overall with Skinner as backup, but he should be the backup.

 

[BKarchitect]

The Oilers with a motivated Gibson would be damn intimidating come playoff time. A different beast than just trying to ride Skinner, IMO.

Not gonna comment on what the deal would or should look like, just as a fan of a Conference rival - they’d be a scary matchup.

 

[Trojans86]

Gibson has been way better this year. This still feels like selling low on him. Nothing wrong with the ducks running with 2 goalies. He has plenty of years left.

 

[TheSuperElite]

way too expensive lol

 

[WhatTheDuck]

We don't know if Gibson will waive or not. I know in the past he has said he doesn't want to, but he's the backup/1B on a rebuilding team now. One that likely won't be a playoff team until his current contract is over. If he wants to go to a playoff team where he has the chance to earn a starter's job again, Edmonton is a good location to go for him. If he is afraid of Canadian winters, or doesn't want to leave the US at all though, he won't waive for Edmonton.


Not many goalies go for a first, and I'm not sure how much extra value the retention gives, as Gibson isn't worth his current cap hit at all. I don't mind going after Gibson, but I'm not sure if he has the value that is being discussed in this thread.

Gibson isn't really the backup or 1B. He missed the start of the season returning from an operation. Since returning, Gibson has made 19 starts to Dostal's 16.

Everyone expects that Dostal is the goalie of the future, but that passing of the torch hasn't happened yet in terms of him taking the net while Gibson is around..

 

[tomd]

Gibson-Dostal gives the Ducks competent goaltending every game. I'd keep Gibson barring an overpayment.

 

[TFHockey]

Gibson-Dostal gives the Ducks competent goaltending every game. I'd keep Gibson barring an overpayment.

I think that is the point of threads focusing on trading Gibson. Nobody wants to overpay for him.

 

[tomd]

I think that is the point of threads focusing on trading Gibson. Nobody wants to overpay for him.

Which is why I don't think he'll be traded unless he publicly asks to be traded or he and Verbeek have privately agreed to do so. And I agree that no playoff-bound team in the NHL right now has a pressing enough need for a goalie to overpay for Gibson.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I think that is the point of threads focusing on trading Gibson. Nobody wants to overpay for him.

That’s pretty much okay

Anaheim has no cap issue…. And dostal and Gibson are arguably the top duo in the nhl right now.

If a team wants him, they’ll pay…. If not we’ll continue what we’re doing…. Is there negotiating room, sure…. But we’re not going to trade him for nothing… teams will have to come up closer to our asking price.

 

[Hockeylife2018]

So HF telling me edmonton has one of the worst D core the league has ever seen

then wants overpay for a goalie that everyone tells me is only bad because his team plays bad D infront of him

What could go wrong

 

[Rec T]

Gibson isn't really the backup or 1B. He missed the start of the season returning from an operation. Since returning, Gibson has made 19 starts to Dostal's 16.

Everyone expects that Dostal is the goalie of the future, but that passing of the torch hasn't happened yet in terms of him taking the net while Gibson is around..

To a point, sure. However Dostal has shown that he can be a starting goalie in the NHL & being younger, he will be the future (unless he's part of an huge package for an established elite talent).

At this point they 'both' are essentially 1A goalies (or slightly below, but essentially equal). And the past couple of weeks have shown that they're doing fine with pretty much sharing a 50/50 workload. For them it seems to be enough work to stay fairly sharp & by splitting the time, is keeping them from being worked to death (like Gibson was a few years ago).

Depending on what Dostal's upcoming contract looks like, I'm not adverse to the Ducks running this duo next year (or two). Having one of the top duos in the league in net when the rest of the team gets to where they should be isn't a bad thing & could help make the team very dangerous relatively soon.

 

[Mr Positive]

The only way Gibson is traded is if he really wants playoff hockey and Anaheim wants to do good by him

I say that because even if outside fans like him and want to trade for him, a GM isn't going to give all that offered in the OP. Even with retention there is just too much risk involved. The playoff teams who need him don't have cap space to throw away on an uncertain goalie for several years. Before committing we'd want to see how he does on our team first. That doesn't mean we shouldn't get him but that uncertainty reduces the trade price. I wouldn't blame Anaheim for not wanting to do that but that's the point. The only way this happens is if Gibson wants it and Anaheim wants to do good by him

 

[McFlash97]

F Gibson. The OPs proposal is a joke. Skinner alone probably is worth Gibson now. Gibson isn't that good folks. He would be eaten alive by the Edmonton Media if he has a bad week or 2.

 

[cheesymc]

I don’t think a late 1st for Gibby at 50% retained moves the needle with the Ducks trying to get over .500. He would get the same return next year so what’s the benefit for eating an extra year of 3.2 million. It’s not like they need the cap space. Also, Edmonton only has the 2026 1st available which is more like an early 2nd value.

Edmonton is the team under the gun with just two more runs before Mcjesus leaves if they don’t win. Looking at how well the Jets and Capitals have been playing, and how the Avs and Hurricanes made big moves really puts the pressure on them to do something.

They only have two decent prospects in Savoie, who isn’t a Verbeek type of player, and O’Reilly who isn’t the goal scorer or big RHD that is needed.

I sort of hope they don’t trade for Gibby since they thought it was a great idea signing Campbell to a terrible contract like how the Penguins signed Jarry because they were both too cheap to trade for Gibson.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

you would think the opportunity to win and move into first place in the division would be some sort of motivation, maybe entertaining your home crowd, stepping up while your captain is out... any of these things, but the team looks very disinterested this afternoon.

not gonna count imo.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

wrong thread.

 

[Czechboy]

you would think the opportunity to win and move into first place in the division would be some sort of motivation, maybe entertaining your home crowd, stepping up while your captain is out... any of these things, but the team looks very disinterested this afternoon.

not gonna count imo.

We're entertained. We stepped up.

 

[Czechboy]

Gibson isn't really the backup or 1B. He missed the start of the season returning from an operation. Since returning, Gibson has made 19 starts to Dostal's 16.

Everyone expects that Dostal is the goalie of the future, but that passing of the torch hasn't happened yet in terms of him taking the net while Gibson is around..

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Look at the Vezina section. I think Dostal is doing okay for himself.

 

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Look at the Vezina section. I think Dostal is doing okay for himself.

I think you misread my post as though I was knocking Dostal. I was merely pointing out that Gibson isn't a backup or 1B as stated, he's starting tonight so that's now 20 starts to Dostal's 16 since Gibson returned. The goalie playing more often isn't the backup.

I doubt we will see Dostal given the bulk of starts while Gibson is healthy, it will take a Gibson trade for that to happen.