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Friedman: Anaheim and Detroit talking trade?
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That's a unneeded hyperbole to a decent discussion. Tatar is a nice piece. The biggest problem with him is the raise he will get at the end of the season. Because of that I don't Anaheim has much interest in Tatar.
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Well that and he's not even outscoring Vats on a ppg basis. If we're going to drop a D for a winger, can we not at least get one that is a consistently better producer than the D we're trading?
What a keyboard warrior. Who the hell are you? Glad you have something interesting to add to this discussion. Tatar+1st rounder or Tatar+Russo or Tatar+Hronek is NOT a horrible proposal. It's a hypothetical Einstein. Considering this thread is full of them.
We've had our spats a little but thanks for defending me on this one. What a joke the above poster is with that. Tatar has been a guaranteed 20-30 goal guy (29 technically) and 40-55 points on declining, low scoring, downright abysmal offensive attacking Detroit team these past few years. I'd love to see what he could do with a net driving guy like Perry and a guy with playmaking ability like Getzlaf passing to him. He has hit around a dozen posts this year not exaggerating either, he could easily have 8-10 goals right now.
Have you looked at Detroit's roster? Have you looked at their landslide? Congrats, Vatanen has 7 points on a much better team, Tatar has 6. Let's not act like he has 3x as many in a whopping 16 game start. And oh yeah have you watched Tatar? Ever? Read above. On a good team this guy hits 25-30 year in and year out.
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Vatanen is a defenseman while Tatar is a forward it tends to be harder to gets points as a defenseman. Anaheim has 41GF Detroit 39GF both teams have played 16 games with a similar record lets not act like Ducks are a good team with high flying offense and Red Wings are a crappy team that sucks offensively.
1 full season with 19 goals another with 29 another with 21 playing on a playoff team. This season he has 2 goals in 16 games so far. Playing for a good team he isn't good for 25-30 goals a season he has the possibility to do so nothing more but has good chance to have less.
Not sure why Ducks fans keep trying to pump Montour's tires. We got it, he's doing well in the AHL. Detroit doesn't want him.
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I can almost guarantee you that Tatar will outscore Vatanen for the season. If he doesn't it means Vats had some kind of great season. Vatanen being a top 4 right handed PP QB gives him a decent edge value wise, but my main point was that lets not sit here and needless bash a obviously good player from another team. We don't like it when it happens to Ducks players.
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Honestly i think vat will outscore tatar, i like tatar tho and i think hed score more in anaheim cause we have a puck moving defense core and a lot of strong bodied forwarss that will clear space for him.
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everyone with common sense.
Sproul, Ouellet and a lot of others. We do not want more "projects" we need more proven to help take some time away from others.
Montour could be 50 point guy, he might be a 20 point guy, he might not even play. AHL is exactly what, AHL. We dont need more projected players, we need more NHL ready.
The wings main problem with their offense is they only have 1 guy who can move the puck effectively on the point, Green. Dekeyser, while is a solid player, is not a first pair guy or a break out passer. He's your standard two-way dman who can chip in 25-30 and log 20-22 mins. He isnt anything more.
I am totally sick and done with Smith. I'm ready to move on. Ericsson is what he is. Kronwall is broken down with all those years of heavy minute eating.
Your offense would blow too if Ericsson or Marchenko were giving you a breakout pass. If you add in someone like Fowler, somehow squeeze in someone like Sproul, you immediately add a better puck-moving display on the blueline.
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Montour isnt really a project, he just a good player waiting for his chance. I can say mantha could be a 15 goal guy and a 40 poiny guy or a 30 30 guy ... both have prooven nothing at the nhl level.
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The intent wasn't to bash him at all! I like Tatar a lot actually- I just don't think he's a good basis for a Vatanen trade unless the + is really significant.
For the record the "outscoring him" comments and PPG numbers I used were based on the last years full season - not just the small sample size from so far this year
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Tatar has a 4.9sh%, he's been very snakebit early on. Last season the biggest reason for his drop in scoring was that Blashill gave him very low minutes, he led the team in P/60. That said his numbers will never be as good as they could be while he's playing for a Wings team that has very bad puck-moving D and no elite playmaking centers. Tatar is the type of player you want next to a Getzlaf, Datsyuk, Thornton, McDavid, Crosby, etc etc. No doubt in my mind he'd be a 30 goal player on the Ducks.
That said, I think Nyquist is closer to fair value compared to Vatanen.
I wasn't talking about your post. I agree that Tatar isn't the best basis of a deal. He's going to be due a raise and there will likely be better offers.
I read it was the exact same ones who claimed Tatar wasn't worth vatanen and or outside Mantha Detroit has no assets
The exact same sources
He isn't in the no today or last year or year before that AND contributing during those years
That is what Detroit needs
If Anaheim can't help then Ok, close the thread as it's as relevant as those that might say Montreal needs a new starting goalie, i.e. brutally awful.
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I'm just saying I don't think youll get what you are looking for without larkin being part of the move... I think you guys had a shot at fowler in offseason and didn't want to pay that price.. I'm guessing Winnipeg is prob asking too much for trouba right now.
You may be best off looking at some nhl ready options that have not been in the nhl and hope to get lucky... or just take a bad season and hope to find something in the draft.
Just cause guys like Montour Theodore and Larsson are not in the NHL doesn't mean they are not NHL players... id argue all 3 would prob make the redwings defense pretty easily. Ducks have 4(5 if you include despres) good young dmen + stoner bieska and holzer... all basically capable dmen(with the exception of bieska) ... not an easy team to make it on, your not only fighting those guys for a roster spot then you have 3 great prospect dmen in theo Montour and Larsson fighting for basically a spot that doesn't exist unless there is an injury .
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Have not got the chance to take in many wings games this year.
I don't see a sisuation thats really beneficial.
For both sides because the wings need a winger to replace zetty in the coming future .
The ducks are stacked on D.
Unless their playing with Fowler or stoner.
Fowler is the more useful.
I don't think mantha is in play,
Have not got the chance to take in many wings games this year.
I don't see a sisuation thats really beneficial.
For both sides because the wings need a winger to replace zetty in the coming future .
The ducks are stacked on D.
Unless their playing with Fowler or stoner.
Fowler is the more useful.
I don't think mantha is in play,
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Wings don't need guys who could "make their defense easy".
They need a guy like Lindholm who could make their defense good. They need a top pairing guy, not a bottom pairing guy or one cracking a mid pairing
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And you are offering nyquist aa mantha tatar for that player.... its not gunna happen. Even 2 of those pieces doesnt equal what you are looking for .
