Confirmed Trade: [ANA/VGK] Evgenii Dadonov, cond. 2023/24 2nd round pick for John Moore, Ryan Kesler [OFFICIALLY VOIDED]

[Rangers ftw]

Just love that it got voided. Hate seeing Ltir contracts traded around.

 

[Petes2424]

This entire fiasco isn’t some grand conspiracy, etc. Although, if you’ve traded for an Ottawa player recently, you may want to make sure it isn’t the case with your player too.

Someone in Ottawa’s front office obviously screwed up. Teams don’t use Cap Friendly, though maybe they should check it as part of their due diligence trading for a player…

There’s also very few players who have a NMC.. in the grand scheme of things anyway. Traded twice during it? Almost never happens. Hell, maybe Ottawa thought it only applied to them and it didn’t move with the contract. Who knows.

When he was traded to Vegas, Ottawa didn’t technically have to mention it (during that transaction, to get it done) because Vegas wasn’t on that list. Even if they thought it was valid. Whether it was ever discussed at all, we don’t know but it wasnt an obligation to complete THAT trade. The player obviously never said anything either because Vegas wasn’t on that list.

So it looks like it just got lost in the shuffle somewhere.

That said, obviously Ottawa should have mentioned it, and should’ve supplied Vegas with that list after the transaction. Just seems like they forgot or like I said, misunderstood.

The NHL needs to obviously secure this from every happening again.

 

[Golden_Jet]

This entire fiasco isn’t some grand conspiracy, etc. Although, if you’ve traded for an Ottawa player recently, you may want to make sure it isn’t the case with your player too.

Someone in Ottawa’s front office obviously screwed up. Teams don’t use Cap Friendly, though maybe they should check it as part of their due diligence trading for a player…

There’s also very few players who have a NMC.. in the grand scheme of things anyway. Traded twice during it? Almost never happens. Hell, maybe Ottawa thought it only applied to them and it didn’t move with the contract. Who knows.

When he was traded to Vegas, Ottawa didn’t technically have to mention it (during that transaction, to get it done) because Vegas wasn’t on that list. Even if they thought it was valid. Whether it was ever discussed at all, we don’t know but it wasnt an obligation to complete THAT trade. The player obviously never said anything either because Vegas wasn’t on that list.

So it looks like it just got lost in the shuffle somewhere.

That said, obviously Ottawa should have mentioned it, and should’ve supplied Vegas with that list after the transaction. Just seems like they forgot or like I said, misunderstood.

The NHL needs to obviously secure this from every happening again.

Vegas had 9 months to phone the agent, and ask for the list.
Should the agent not supply the list to a new team, that’s weird also.
Also the LA article makes it sound like Vegas knew about the list.

 

[Artemi Panarin]

Vegas had 9 months to phone the agent, and ask for the list.
Should the agent not supply the list to a new team, that’s weird also.
Also the LA article makes it sound like Vegas knew about the list.

If the rumor about Vegas asking Dadonov to waive is true then it's even more confusing. Did they just say screw it and trade him anyway? What a bizarre situation.

 

[kife]

Personally I think that's what they ultimately tried to do. They had limited options out there to get cap compliant and this was the only one that looked like it would satisfy. I wouldn't trust anything the NHL says either. The blaming Ottawa thing I think is to try to save face...

 

[Smitty426]

Just love that it got voided. Hate seeing Ltir contracts traded around.

Sucks for the player though (other than the money). His season is over through no fault of his own. Some team will be offered enough to take it on with a sweetener, just how sweet does it need to be?

 

[Mr Positive]

Yes. When the list was submitted for this season, he was with Ottawa, so Ottawa had the list. Vegas likely took Ottawa’s word, or purposely played dumb once Vegas traded for him and noticed they didn’t receive the list.

I just posted this in the other thread:

Do we have anything besides that very vague Strickland tweet that corroborates it? It's been a while since he dropped that and I've been waiting for essential follow up details, but theres been zero. Who are these league sources? Was this an assertion with evidence, or just an opinion? Where is official comment from the NHL? Where is discipline for what Ottawa supposedly done?

Has anyone else reported that the league has put the blame on Ottawa?

 

[Daz28]

Just love that it got voided. Hate seeing Ltir contracts traded around.

That's not what really happened here, at least as far as creating fake cap space/expanding your playoff team. This was just moving cash around, but I agree with you

 

[Siludin]

I'm glad Dadonov held his ground. Good for him and good for the players. There was never a chance this was going through though because it would set a terrible precedent and the NHLPA would have fought it to the end.

 

[Finnflash]

How do you prove a non-event?

I mean in the context of the No trade clause. If Ottawa tells me the No trade is not in effect I’m asking prove it by showing me. If Ottawa hid it they should suffer greatly

 

[Golden_Jet]

So got to thinking, and checked,

Section 58 of MOU in effect July 10, 2020

Collective Bargaining Agreement

The CBA between the NHLPA and the NHL sets out the terms and conditions of employment for all professional hockey players playing in the NHL, as well as the res

www.nhlpa.com

CBA §11.8 amended to provide that No-Trade and No-Move clauses shall always travel with the Player in the event of an Assignment (by Trade or Waivers) of the SPC.

The trade of Dadonov to Vegas was on July 28, 2021

Dadonov traded to Golden Knights by Senators | NHL.com

Ottawa receives defenseman Holden, third-round pick in 2022 NHL Draft for forward

www.nhl.com

Thus in my opinion now, as long as the list was up to date, it doesn’t matter when Ottawa traded him, the M-NTC moves along with the trade, since the trade happened a year after the MOU was in effect. It doesn’t matter what Ottawa said or didn’t, or what teams are on the list.

Looks like it’s on Vegas, but NHL still should change protocol.

@mouser what do you think.

 

[Menzinger]

Multiple people deserve to be fired over this.

 

[KyleJRM]

Wow 104 pages and counting, mostly just posters jerking each other off in their hate for Vegas.

All, it's pretty simple here.
1. No VGK management isn't dumb. They pursue every angle to their advantage as every team could do. Just like why do you hire expensive lawyers? They go find the edges in the details others miss.
2. They almost certainly knew that there was a list but didn't inquire because that would narrow their list. Nothing in the rules state you must go get that list.
3. They were shopping Dadonov for awhile and as many of us VGK followers suspected they had to give up a high pick to make it happen because of his contract. The others probably demanded a first so they kept shopping.
4. They held off until the last minute because this was purely a move to clear space to get players off LTIR. They can read the standings like everyone else, if they weren't in such trouble they just pass on this trade.
5. They submit the trade knowing it could get voided, but figured it was worth a shot. It's a financial transaction, what's the worst thing that happens? Plus when you think of teams someone doesn't want to go to the Ducks don't figure as high as Canadian teams or places like Buffalo or Columbus.
6. Trade gets called into question you say hey we didn't get the list. No comments have said we had no idea he had a clause, it's simply we didn't get the list.

You can call that scummy all you want, there is nothing illegal about what they did. To say players won't want to play there after this is just dumb, they have already done plenty to upset some while others want to play on a team where management is pushing to get as many resources as they can. VGK followers on here already have our reservations about this management and especially the coach, but we're not stupid. We don't need all you idiots to tell us what the rules are or that the club has clueless employees because that just shows how clueless so many of you are.

Negotiating with outright bad faith as you are describing is not as legal as you think it is.

 

[Daz28]

Negotiating with outright bad faith as you are describing is not as legal as you think it is.

Correct. If there's misrepresentation and damages, you could possibly have a crime. If Vegas did what Willy said, "They submit the trade knowing it could get voided, but figured it was worth a shot. It's a financial transaction, what's the worst thing that happens?", then that's misrepresentation, and this isn't just a trade on NHL2022, this is a multi-million dollar transaction, which clearly had potential damages to multiple parties. This isn't just a crappy watch you got off Wish. A lot of people are like, "oh well shucks it got voided", but I assure you Anaheim is not happy, especially if there is possibly bad intentions from anyone involved.

 

[DucksUnited]

Not a Senators problem.
Not like there was a time restraint on trade, as it was made in the summer. Vegas had oceans of time for due diligence, also LA Times says Vegas knew of NTC, and tried to push it through to Anaheim.

And Anaheim gets no compensation in all of this. Amazing…. I’m sure if this was Toronto there would be protesting

 

[Lenerdosy]

This entire fiasco isn’t some grand conspiracy, etc. Although, if you’ve traded for an Ottawa player recently, you may want to make sure it isn’t the case with your player too.

Someone in Ottawa’s front office obviously screwed up. Teams don’t use Cap Friendly, though maybe they should check it as part of their due diligence trading for a player…

There’s also very few players who have a NMC.. in the grand scheme of things anyway. Traded twice during it? Almost never happens. Hell, maybe Ottawa thought it only applied to them and it didn’t move with the contract. Who knows.

When he was traded to Vegas, Ottawa didn’t technically have to mention it (during that transaction, to get it done) because Vegas wasn’t on that list. Even if they thought it was valid. Whether it was ever discussed at all, we don’t know but it wasnt an obligation to complete THAT trade. The player obviously never said anything either because Vegas wasn’t on that list.

So it looks like it just got lost in the shuffle somewhere.

That said, obviously Ottawa should have mentioned it, and should’ve supplied Vegas with that list after the transaction. Just seems like they forgot or like I said, misunderstood.

The NHL needs to obviously secure this from every happening again.

Pretty sure every GM from now on is going to be checking the NTC list of their players before this so this jumble doesn't happen again.

 

[Fatass]

Pretty sure every GM from now on is going to be checking the NTC list of their players before this so this jumble doesn't happen again.

How do we not know the Vegas GM knew of the ten team list and chose to ignore it thinking he could bully Dadanov into waiving?

 

[pbgoalie]

How do we not know the Vegas GM knew of the ten team list and chose to ignore it thinking he could bully Dadanov into waiving?

We don’t
We know it’s Vegas, and therefor the nhl and evil crime syndicate that is Vegas had to be dirty in this

 

[Ciao]

And Anaheim gets no compensation in all of this. Amazing…. I’m sure if this was Toronto there would be protesting

There was never any possibility that Anaheim would get compensation for this.

The trade was voided. End of story.

 

[Ciao]

Sucks for the player though (other than the money). His season is over through no fault of his own. Some team will be offered enough to take it on with a sweetener, just how sweet does it need to be?

Vegas could move another contract instead to make itself cap compliant.

It doesn't have to Dadanov.

 

[Rec T]

There are lots of reasons to dislike Vegas and the way they do business but this isn't one of them. I highly doubt they did this on purpose when they could have traded him to one of the other 21 teams and avoided this mess.

Do any of the other 21 teams have the LTIR contracts total value going back that Vegas was interested in that those teams would be willing to trade? I'm pretty sure that would narrow down those 21 teams considerably.

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A completely different comment/question - is there a maximum number of players that any team can have on LTIR at any one time? (kind of like a team can only retain on three contracts for trade purposes). If not, that might be a solution. Have a limited amount of short term long term injured reserve (Orwell is grinning broadly from his grave...) where a player on those are expected to return at some point that season. And an unlimited number of 'may not play during that season/playoffs' LTIR slots (for those in LTIRetirement or really badly hurt).

 

[mundyc3]

We are rooting for our Daddy.

 

[Mattb124]

I just posted this in the other thread:

Do we have anything besides that very vague Strickland tweet that corroborates it? It's been a while since he dropped that and I've been waiting for essential follow up details, but theres been zero. Who are these league sources? Was this an assertion with evidence, or just an opinion? Where is official comment from the NHL? Where is discipline for what Ottawa supposedly done?

Has anyone else reported that the league has put the blame on Ottawa?

Throw into the mix the LA times article that says that VGK asked Dadonov to waive before the trade was submitted and the Servelli tweet that VGK was also working on post-TDL trades in case the Dadonov trade was rejected (he was vague on whether they were working on that before the TDL or only after the trade was challenged) - who the heck knows?

 

[The Marquis]

The dude scores a goal and gets an assist in his first game “back” in Vegas.

 

[The Marquis]

He ended up with a goal and 2 assists. Welcome back … lolololol