Proposal: Ana - NYR

[tony d]

Yeah, this deal wouldn't make sense. I'm a bit surprised though that Fowler has yet to be traded.

 

[bernmeister]

Honestly I might even do something like
Fowler AND Theodore OR Montour for Zuccarello and Miller, with some change on either side.

sorry, no.

Too much money going back to Ducks. It will always be a no unless Bieksa and to lesser extent, Stoner is absorbed by the other team. NYR can't do that with 2 anchors in their D, so there's no deal to be made.

This has been done so many times it may as well be a general trade forum thread about Fowler.

this is true, but w/both Theodore AND Montour being ELCs and exp exempt, if the rest of it was copacetic to Ducks --- which obviously it is not --- we COULD take back cap dump to do the deal, BUT would have to be no NMCs, guys we could follow up on and move or buy out.

Again just as to theory, acknowledging....

We have been through this.

1. Thanks but do not want Fowler.
2. Miller not available, besides we like him a lot, 15OA selection, he can also play C besides either W, and we need him in case we decide to move another C. Like Stepan, for Dumba +, among others.
3, The ideal fit for you is Zucarello. Top 6, either W, works hard, produces. Affordable 4.5 x 3. Depending on the return a minor cap dump is fine.

Vatanen
or
Thedore +
or
Montour +

if it was the right add by NY, then Theodore + Montour, though I assume you don't want to overextend there.

... asked...

Rangers have nothing that would make us offer Theo AND Montour in the same package. There's no deal to be made between these two fan bases.

.... and answered.

Rangers interested in Montour or Theodore only. Not Fowler. Most of their forwards would be on the table here I would imagine.

Zuc/Nash/Stepan
I see available

Kreider/Hayes/Miller/Vesey etc
not available

I can not come up with any deal here. Montour would be my preference from the Ducks but they are in a tough expansion situation and are likely going to be looking to move established players that they just can not protect, Fowler, not prospects who may be on the cusp on the NHL who are exempt.

I am sure some team out there will make a Fowler deal eventually but I just can not see it being the Rangers.

well stated bottom line

good luck elsewhere
discontinue Fowler to NYR

 

[bernmeister]

Because comparing forwards and defensemen is that simple, obviously. And why the hell are you using re-drafting players as a comparision? Draft position has nothing to do with anything, and they are drafted in two different years.

didn't say it was easy.
just trying to interject an objective barometer.

I meant today, right now, as is, remove salary, re-draft today.
Miller goes before Fowler.
do you agree?
esp since Fowler is LD, not RD.

 

[Shootertooter]

I disagree about Miller, he is a pretty exciting player, and a guy who could give us an affordable 25 goals. I would hate to give up Montour but Miller is exactly what we need.

Miller a good solid two way player, a top six player on a good contract and he is young, almost 2yrs younger than Fowler.......but the Rangers are not looking to trade for Fowler, he is a LHD and does not meet what they need.

 

[Shootertooter]

disagree, he is able to do any of all 3 F positions, esp. including C.
If another C is moved, he is the fallback.

100% no.

Fowler was asked and answered, politely, no
Zuc was asked and answered, politely, no

move on

He is not a true center in the Rangers current line up. Many of his faceoff ops come on the PK. The Rangers are not trading Step, Zib or Hayes, so he won't be a fall back unless due to injury. He could play center if needed but he isn't currently relied on as a center and I don't think anyone is penciling him in as one, anyone other than you.

Tanner Glass took 20 faceoffs last season too, he is ALSO not a center.

 

[WesMcCauley]

He is not a true center in the Rangers current line up. Many of his faceoff ops come on the PK. The Rangers are not trading Step, Zib or Hayes, so he won't be a fall back unless due to injury. He could play center if needed but he isn't currently relied on as a center and I don't think anyone is penciling him in as one, anyone other than you.

Tanner Glass took 20 faceoffs last season too, he is ALSO not a center.

Miller is more of a center than you think. Just not better than step and zib and Hayes needs to play center because he sucks at wing. Miller is a perfect #3 center.

 

[Shootertooter]

Miller is more of a center than you think. Just not better than step and zib and Hayes needs to play center because he sucks at wing. Miller is a perfect #3 center.

Wait now, I am not saying he didn't play center or can't..... He does not slot in to the Rangers line up as a center because Step, Zib and Hayes are ahead of him in depth. That makes him a winger. Miller might be a perfect #3 just not going to happen on this team because of depth, I think he is more valuable to the Rangers as a 2nd line winger anyway.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Miller a good solid two way player, a top six player on a good contract and he is young, almost 2yrs younger than Fowler.......but the Rangers are not looking to trade for Fowler, he is a LHD and does not meet what they need.

If you read the post and conversation I was responding to we were no longer talking about Fowler.

 

[Shootertooter]

If you read the post and conversation I was responding to we were no longer talking about Fowler.

My bad heusy, Bern's obsession with trading Stepan in every post has me somewhat desheveled ........so, Montour + for Miller.........Montour plus what for Miller? That interests me a bit.

The reality, whether Ranger fans want to admit it, is that JT is the guy most likely to get traded for what we actually need. He is young, on the rise, has a good contract and has value.

the Rangers need Nash and lets face it, there aren't too many suitors who would pick him up now......I see him going at the deadline for picks.

Staal has more value than Girardi but lol. They aren't going anywhere.

Step is the #1 center, he is not being traded. They moved Brassard, before that, I felt Step could go to Minn for Dumba. Not anymore though.

Zib is a good #2 and then Hayes, who is meh.......but a Step trade moves everyone up and Miller into the #3.........Hayes as a 3 is ok , as a 2.....eke.

 

[anezthes]

Montour plus what for Miller? That interests me a bit.

Take your pick!

Still interested?

 

[WhatTheDuck]

My bad heusy, Bern's obsession with trading Stepan in every post has me somewhat desheveled ........so, Montour + for Miller.........Montour plus what for Miller? That interests me a bit.

The reality, whether Ranger fans want to admit it, is that JT is the guy most likely to get traded for what we actually need. He is young, on the rise, has a good contract and has value.

the Rangers need Nash and lets face it, there aren't too many suitors who would pick him up now......I see him going at the deadline for picks.

Staal has more value than Girardi but lol. They aren't going anywhere.

Step is the #1 center, he is not being traded. They moved Brassard, before that, I felt Step could go to Minn for Dumba. Not anymore though.

Zib is a good #2 and then Hayes, who is meh.......but a Step trade moves everyone up and Miller into the #3.........Hayes as a 3 is ok , as a 2.....eke.

No worries, my offer is and has been Montour + OTT 2nd for Miller.

Or to take it in a different direction, how about Montour + Despres (LHD who plays the right side)?

 

[Raspewtin]

all of my feelings about Fowler aside literally the last thing the Rangers need is LHD

like, we need a goalie more than LHD

 

[anezthes]

No worries, my offer is and has been Montour + OTT 2nd for Miller.

Or to take it in a different direction, how about Montour + Despres (LHD who plays the right side)?

We can't take on more salary (wrt to Montour + 2nd). Rather use that pick to dump salary if need be.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm almost tempted to see this happen just for the comic value of Cam Fowler on the Rangers. The fanbase would melt.

I mean we have Dan Girardi, but that joke got old. (Literally)

 

[One Winged Angel]

No thanks.

 

[Maukkis]

didn't say it was easy.
just trying to interject an objective barometer.

I meant today, right now, as is, remove salary, re-draft today.
Miller goes before Fowler.
do you agree?
esp since Fowler is LD, not RD.

What do you mean "remove salary, re-draft today"? What does a redraft have to do with anything, when they are drafted in two different years? Besides that, the second the pick is made, draft position loses its importance. And salary is another quite important factor, which has to be taken into consideration (or at least it shall not be neglected, since neither player is overpaid nor on a fantastic deal). Trades do not happen completely based on the moving players. If they did, we would have hundreds of threads complaining about GMs doing stupid decisions, trying to maximise value and neglecting team structuring.

And RHDs being more valuable than LHDs is nonsense. You pay for what you need, not for what's rare. If I'm the Oilers in early June 2016, I'm ready to pay more for a RHD, since I don't have one with any realistic potential to be in the team's top 4. If I'm the Sharks or the Jets, I don't give a single **** about RHDs being a scarcity; I'm not paying much for what I don't need. It goes both ways: I'm ready to pay for a LHD, if I don't have much depth on that side. If I do... guess what happens.

You can have whatever opinion you fancy about Miller and Fowler. My opinion is that your way of evaluating players is completely foolish.

 

[go4hockey]

CAM FOWLER

for
Jt Miller, Dan Girardi, and Mar Staal. Otherwise no deal.

no team is taking those two god awful contracts. Your stuck with them.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Wait now, I am not saying he didn't play center or can't..... He does not slot in to the Rangers line up as a center because Step, Zib and Hayes are ahead of him in depth. That makes him a winger. Miller might be a perfect #3 just not going to happen on this team because of depth, I think he is more valuable to the Rangers as a 2nd line winger anyway.

Hayes isnt ahead of him in depth. Hayes is behind him, horrible at wing so playing him at second line wing is horrible. Thats why Hayes usually plays center and Miller at wing. Not because Miller isnt a good center