Proposal: Ana - NYR

[WhatTheDuck]

Montour + for Miller, Rangers don't need another LHD, we can't take on a salary like Zuc.

 

[crowi]

Ahh yes, this again. I'm prepared to hear how bad Fowler is once more.

Also wouldn't add anything to a Fowler-Miller trade or even make it in the first place. Perhaps a "All Fowler Proposals Here"-thread is needed.

 

[Shootertooter]

I thought the Rangers need RHD not LHD even most Ranger fans say that Fowler to the Rangers makes zero sense. Just bring New York boy Kevin Shattenkirk home he makes far more sense then adding Fowler.

They do need a RHD and are not interested in Fowler. JT Miller is likely the guy to get moved though. He is a very solid 2 way player. Realistically he can play 2nd line minutes, he should equate to a top 6 player on most teams.

 

[Lundy HOF]

Montour + for Miller, Rangers don't need another LHD, we can't take on a salary like Zuc.

Ideally, I want the + to be a 1st rd pick given how deep the Ducks can make it in the POs. Would that be workable if we kicked you a 3rd or 4th rounder back?

 

[KingDeathMetal]

Montour + for Miller, Rangers don't need another LHD, we can't take on a salary like Zuc.

I'd do this.

And you're right, we don't need another LHD (I mean, we do, but only if somebody wants to take Marc Staal off our hands).

Not a big fan of Fowler, I think he's overvalued. Rangers need a RHD anyway, and I expect that when Anaheim re-signs Lindholm (or doesn't?), talks will start to escalate regarding a possible trade between Anaheim and Rangers. They are potentially great trade partners here, both possessing an excess of what the other needs, it's just a matter of both sides getting fair value. I think NYR def has the assets to acquire one of those RD, whether Montour, Theodore (who shoots Left, actually?), or Manson, depending on who Anaheim is comfortable trading.

 

[dracom]

Ideally, I want the + to be a 1st rd pick given how deep the Ducks can make it in the POs. Would that be workable if we kicked you a 3rd or 4th rounder back?

Ducks wouldn't trade their only 1st round pick. Ducks have only done it once in history, doubt they'll do it to get a player like Miller.

Plus, we can't take Miller unless we're sending salary the other way or we're not going to be able to re-sign Lindholm and Rakell. So there's zero reason to trade Montour for us unless we're able to shed salary in the deal.

 

[Savant]

Ahh yes, this again. I'm prepared to hear how bad Fowler is once more.

Also wouldn't add anything to a Fowler-Miller trade or even make it in the first place. Perhaps a "All Fowler Proposals Here"-thread is needed.

I don't think Fowler is bad at all, but the Rangers need a Righty.

I don't think there will be too much vitriol as long as people respond to the right posts.

 

[bernmeister]

They do need a RHD and are not interested in Fowler. JT Miller is likely the guy to get moved though. He is a very solid 2 way player. Realistically he can play 2nd line minutes, he should equate to a top 6 player on most teams.

disagree, he is able to do any of all 3 F positions, esp. including C.
If another C is moved, he is the fallback.

100% no.

Fowler was asked and answered, politely, no
Zuc was asked and answered, politely, no

move on

 

[pld459666]

Solid assets on both sides.

Not a fit.

That was easy. No insults needed

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I'd do this.

And you're right, we don't need another LHD (I mean, we do, but only if somebody wants to take Marc Staal off our hands).

Not a big fan of Fowler, I think he's overvalued. Rangers need a RHD anyway, and I expect that when Anaheim re-signs Lindholm (or doesn't?), talks will start to escalate regarding a possible trade between Anaheim and Rangers. They are potentially great trade partners here, both possessing an excess of what the other needs, it's just a matter of both sides getting fair value. I think NYR def has the assets to acquire one of those RD, whether Montour, Theodore (who shoots Left, actually?), or Manson, depending on who Anaheim is comfortable trading.

I'd push to make it Ottawa's 2nd + Montour rather than a 1st.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Sore maybe Anaheim considers this, If the Rangers take Fowler+Bieksa+Stoner as well or else no deal.

Exactly lol

 

[Savant]

Honestly I might even do something like

Fowler AND Theodore OR Montour for Zuccarello and Miller, with some change on either side.

 

[crowi]

Honestly I might even do something like

Fowler AND Theodore OR Montour for Zuccarello and Miller, with some change on either side.

Too much money going back to Ducks. It will always be a no unless Bieksa and to lesser extent, Stoner is absorbed by the other team. NYR can't do that with 2 anchors in their D, so there's no deal to be made.

This has been done so many times it may as well be a general trade forum thread about Fowler.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Honestly I might even do something like

Fowler AND Theodore OR Montour for Zuccarello and Miller, with some change on either side.

ducks are not going to deplete their depth on defense that is their no.2 dman and 1 of their top 2 prospects both of which are d. if the ducks then get any injuries on defense they are in trouble

 

[Savant]

ducks are not going to deplete their depth on defense that is their no.2 dman and 1 of their top 2 prospects both of which are d. if the ducks then get any injuries on defense they are in trouble

I'm just speaking in terms of a base. In a vacuum it's pretty close to being fair. I'm sure Ramgers could send a D back in that scenario but if there is nothing to be had, so be it.

 

[pucku33]

Ducks wouldn't trade their only 1st round pick. Ducks have only done it once in history, doubt they'll do it to get a player like Miller.

Plus, we can't take Miller unless we're sending salary the other way or we're not going to be able to re-sign Lindholm and Rakell. So there's zero reason to trade Montour for us unless we're able to shed salary in the deal.

Acquired D Oleg Tverdovsky from the Phoenix Coyotes in exchange for C Travis Green and Anaheim’s first round pick (15th overall) in the 1999 NHL Entry Draft.

Acquired D Chris Pronger from Edmonton in exchange for RW Joffrey Lupul, D Ladislav Smid, Anaheim’s first-round pick in the 2007 NHL Entry Draft, Anaheim’s second-round choice in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft and a conditional draft pick.

Acquired center Ryan Kesler and a third-round selection in the 2015 NHL Draft from the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for center Nick Bonino, defenseman Luca Sbisa, the 24th overall pick (first round) and the 85th overall pick (third round) in the 2014 NHL Draft.




It's so amazing how many people on here just make up facts.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Acquired D Oleg Tverdovsky from the Phoenix Coyotes in exchange for C Travis Green and Anaheim’s first round pick (15th overall) in the 1999 NHL Entry Draft.

Acquired D Chris Pronger from Edmonton in exchange for RW Joffrey Lupul, D Ladislav Smid, Anaheim’s first-round pick in the 2007 NHL Entry Draft, Anaheim’s second-round choice in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft and a conditional draft pick.

Acquired center Ryan Kesler and a third-round selection in the 2015 NHL Draft from the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for center Nick Bonino, defenseman Luca Sbisa, the 24th overall pick (first round) and the 85th overall pick (third round) in the 2014 NHL Draft.




It's so amazing how many people on here just make up facts.

1999 was the only year in the Ducks history that they didn't draft in the 1st round.

 

[pucku33]

1999 was the only year in the Ducks history that they didn't draft in the 1st round.

That could be correct, but the one I quoted was not.

 

[aufheben]

Why?

 

[gilfaizon]

Acquired D Oleg Tverdovsky from the Phoenix Coyotes in exchange for C Travis Green and Anaheim’s first round pick (15th overall) in the 1999 NHL Entry Draft.

Acquired D Chris Pronger from Edmonton in exchange for RW Joffrey Lupul, D Ladislav Smid, Anaheim’s first-round pick in the 2007 NHL Entry Draft, Anaheim’s second-round choice in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft and a conditional draft pick.

Acquired center Ryan Kesler and a third-round selection in the 2015 NHL Draft from the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for center Nick Bonino, defenseman Luca Sbisa, the 24th overall pick (first round) and the 85th overall pick (third round) in the 2014 NHL Draft.




It's so amazing how many people on here just make up facts.

"Their Only" is what the original post said. Ducks had picks in 2007 and 2015

 

[Not So Mighty]

Acquired D Oleg Tverdovsky from the Phoenix Coyotes in exchange for C Travis Green and Anaheim’s first round pick (15th overall) in the 1999 NHL Entry Draft.

Acquired D Chris Pronger from Edmonton in exchange for RW Joffrey Lupul, D Ladislav Smid, Anaheim’s first-round pick in the 2007 NHL Entry Draft, Anaheim’s second-round choice in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft and a conditional draft pick.

Acquired center Ryan Kesler and a third-round selection in the 2015 NHL Draft from the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for center Nick Bonino, defenseman Luca Sbisa, the 24th overall pick (first round) and the 85th overall pick (third round) in the 2014 NHL Draft.




It's so amazing how many people on here just make up facts.

That could be correct, but the one I quoted was not.

The one you quoted was correct as well.

You're not reading carefully what you're quoting. You did all that research about the Ducks trading first round picks and could have saved yourself time by just reading carefully what you quoted. No one made up facts. The person you're trying to call out on making up facts said the Ducks have traded their ONLY 1st round pick once in history. Yes, you're right that Ducks traded 1st round picks in 2007 and 2015, but those were not their ONLY 1sts those years.

 

[anezthes]

Ana - CAM FOWLER + 3 round pick 2017

NYR - J.T. MILLER

Fowler > Miller. NYR adds. But NYR doesn't need LHD as stated 1000x already in this thread.

Honestly I might even do something like

Fowler AND Theodore OR Montour for Zuccarello and Miller, with some change on either side.

I'm sure you would. No, thanks.

Montour + for Miller, Rangers don't need another LHD, we can't take on a salary like Zuc.

As a basis, maybe. Really not all that interested in giving up Montour just yet. Miller's a solid player, no doubt and would love to have him on the Ducks - especially considering our lack of NHL caliber wingers - but he's just not that exciting a player to be honest.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Fowler > Miller. NYR adds. But NYR doesn't need LHD as stated 1000x already in this thread.



I'm sure you would. No, thanks.



As a basis, maybe. Really not all that interested in giving up Montour just yet. Miller's a solid player, no doubt and would love to have him on the Ducks - especially considering our lack of NHL caliber wingers - but he's just not that exciting a player to be honest.

I disagree about Miller, he is a pretty exciting player, and a guy who could give us an affordable 25 goals. I would hate to give up Montour but Miller is exactly what we need.

 

[bernmeister]

Fowler > Miller. NYR adds. But NYR doesn't need LHD as stated 1000x already in this thread. ....

disagree, IMO by every measure
Miller more cost controlled
more versatile
more productive

acid test:
Miller 15OA, re-draft would likely be at least that, prob higher
Fowler redraft would not be 15OA

you're entitled to your opinion on each guys worth, but IMO the above is more accurate

 

[Maukkis]

disagree, IMO by every measure
Miller more cost controlled
more versatile
more productive

acid test:
Miller 15OA, re-draft would likely be at least that, prob higher
Fowler redraft would not be 15OA

you're entitled to your opinion on each guys worth, but IMO the above is more accurate

Because comparing forwards and defensemen is that simple, obviously. And why the hell are you using re-drafting players as a comparision? Draft position has nothing to do with anything, and they are drafted in two different years.