Proposal: ANA - EDM The NMC Affair

[ItWasJustified]

I dunno, after this past month he might want to enjoy temperatures above freezing.

He grew up in worse temperatures.

 

[Gliff]

100% we have a logjam but i think the front office wants to retain/load up as opposed to selling off vets like we have seen the last 4-5 years.

My new opinion is to trade one of the high value D (Zelly likely) for a difference making F.

Have we not learned our lesson about trading defensemen before we know who they are?

 

[Arthuros]

I'm for it, I guess. Personally I don't think Arvidsson's contract is that terrible.

 

[duckpuck]

If we're dealing with Anaheim, and if Arvidsson is willing to waive to go there, I'd prefer to do something around Gibson, as long as Kane isn't going to be ready and we can use his 5M cap space for bringing in these two. Gibson and Dumoulin for Arvidsson and a collection of picks and prospects would be something that should interest Edmonton because it improves us now on the blueline and in goal for the playoffs, and it should interest Anaheim as it would give them some good assets for the future, and a winger that can likely contribute now, and be flipped a year from now. Unless they feel Gibson's presence is too important to Dostal's development, or Dumoulin's presence is too important for the development of their young defensemen of course.

What are you adding? Because the ducks fans (and I think Verbeek) would expect a pretty significant add. Gibson's presence is helpful - he's been the starter and played well (albeit Dostal plays a decent amount).

THIS - Ducks fans need to recalibrate their mindset. Its not 2020 - 2024 anymore. We could very likely hang onto these cheap vets as we push for the playoffs. We also need these vets around to mentor the kids.

As noted above, way to many D-men to re-sign Dumo unless the ducks ship out someone else. I wouldn't be shocked to see Gudas or Trouba traded to be honest, in which case you can keep Dumo.

One problem is that Dumo will understandably want a 2-3 year deal and I can't see the ducks offering that (nor should they barring a trade of Gudas/Trouba).

 

[ManofSteel55]

What are you adding? Because the ducks fans (and I think Verbeek) would expect a pretty significant add. Gibson's presence is helpful - he's been the starter and played well (albeit Dostal plays a decent amount).

Futures, but I didn't specify what I would add, because I've had that conversation a few times here, and it feels that Duck fans want more for Gibson than I feel he should be worth, so I'll just leave it at that. What I would give doesn't really matter, I'm not a GM, ha ha.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

No

None of those guys are struggling, which was the point of the post I was responding to.

I suppose I should have said not many improve.

I do apologize you are correct.

 

[Rooch]

Futures, but I didn't specify what I would add, because I've had that conversation a few times here, and it feels that Duck fans want more for Gibson than I feel he should be worth, so I'll just leave it at that. What I would give doesn't really matter, I'm not a GM, ha ha.

Anaheim has more "futures" than it can use. They need "nows".

 

[lwvs84]

The problem with adding Arvidsson is there really isn't much space. Ducks should be improving the top 6 with the money they have. The top 3 lines are:
Vatrano Strome Terry (he's not an upgrade there)
Cutter McTavish Colangelo (we need to see what we have in Colangelo, he's been good in the AHL)
Zegras Carlsson Killorn (maybe he's a better fit than Killorn? But that's already a big contract on the books and no way they pay him that to be on the 4th line).

Do the Ducks really want $10.5 mil tied up in him and Killorn next year? And it's not like the Ducks are getting anything they desperately need. San Jose or Chicago might be a better fit, they'll be tanking for another 1st overall next year so salary isn't an issue.

Ducks should be using their cap space to do after the best forward available in FA or trade in the off season.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Anaheim has more "futures" than it can use. They need "nows".

Sure, but futures can help to buy "nows". You stock up with futures at the deadline, and use them to trade for "nows" at the draft and over the summer. It's about having assets to spend while still maintaining the direction of their rebuild. Especially when you have one asset that could have value, but likely only to teams selling futures. I don't see any teams with an excess of "now" assets lining up for a starting goalie, but there are a couple of contenders who could use the upgrade in net that have the type of assets you can use to help bolster next years lineup in the offseason. I think a move of Gibson to Edmonton or Carolina actually makes a lot of sense for the Ducks. 1st round picks are never bad to have.

 

[quackquackquack]

Have we not learned our lesson about trading defensemen before we know who they are?

So say Zelly doesn't pan out, his value is significantly lower. this is the game you have to play. At this particular time, we need forward help.

 

[Vipers31]

So say Zelly doesn't pan out, his value is significantly lower. this is the game you have to play. At this particular time, we need forward help.

At this particular time, teams are adding currently contributing guys for futures to facilitate deeper playoff runs. Any discourse about using our young guys to add significant pieces for immediate help is realistically reserved until the draft, at the earliest.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

As a Ducks fan I'd take this deal and not look back. Our playoff "push" this season feels like a complete mirage and I'm more concerned about getting our young guys reps.

Gudas/Trouba should be more than enough mentors for them.

 

[Gliff]

So say Zelly doesn't pan out, his value is significantly lower. this is the game you have to play. At this particular time, we need forward help.

And if it turns out to be another Theodore?

It's different if he is moved in a package for a legit top line forward, but unless that's the case there is no reason to trade him until we know who he is.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

I dunno, after this past month he might want to enjoy temperatures above freezing.

If you weren't here you can't know what I am talking about.

Canada is cold, we get it. Kinda odd to make it the central argument for athletes that you know, grew up playing on ice.

The Sunbelt is nice one in a while, and you get that plenty, travelling all the time, but you would have to pay me to have my main residence in permanent forest fire oven bake hell hole.

 

[quackquackquack]

At this particular time, teams are adding currently contributing guys for futures to facilitate deeper playoff runs. Any discourse about using our young guys to add significant pieces for immediate help is realistically reserved until the draft, at the earliest.

PV and Cronin have repeatedly said we are competing for the playoffs this year. That alone qualifies the Ducks as a team that can pounce for a significant forward piece if available. The draft is more realistic but if the opportunity presents itself at the deadline, PV should be IN.

And if it turns out to be another Theodore?

It's different if he is moved in a package for a legit top line forward, but unless that's the case there is no reason to trade him until we know who he is.

That's where my head is at - it has to be a game changing, difference making forward.

 

[Vipers31]

PV and Cronin have repeatedly said we are competing for the playoffs this year. That alone qualifies the Ducks as a team that can pounce for a significant forward piece if available. The draft is more realistic but if the opportunity presents itself at the deadline, PV should be IN.

When was the last time you heard him say this? He wants the team to move towards challenging - he should -, but he’s not a complete fool (at least not that type). It’s not happening this season, and teams acquiring players right now are primarily paying for the services they get from them over the next few months. If there’s a guy with 2+ years of term available, sure, he should check things out, but that’s mostly not the reality of what happens this week, for those reasons.

 

[Petes2424]

You always have to love the teams who acquire a player because he’s that “playoff type” performer, but then they want to trade him before the playoffs ever start, because he’s not performing in the regular season.

They'd have find takers for both players but now since everyone knows they want to move them, teams will make the Oilers pay.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Since the Oilers have everyone in their top nine with some sort of trade protection (with the exception of Perry) it would take an enticing location, like California, for one or more of these outstanding players to waive NTCs and NMCs.

With that in mind...



Brian Dumoulin (LHD) $3.15 Million AAV Pending UFA



Viktor Ardvisson (LW) $4 Million AAV
2nd Round Pick 2025
Conditional 4th round pick (depending on how far the Oilers make it in the playoffs, pick gets bumped)

I think it would take a sunny destination for Ardvisson to waive his NMC, so Anaheim fits the bill. Of course posters on here will rant and rave about the Oilers needing to add a 1st to move him and all that but realistically Ardvisson is probably worth a 4th in a real world trade.

Dumoulin kills penalties and has been a great veteran presence on the Ducks blueline. However, his presence has blocked the playing time of talented, younger players like Pavel Mintyukov and Olen Zellweger. One or the other usually gets scratched as a result. The Oilers are rumored to be looking for this kind of player.

Dumoulin loves it in Anaheim but maybe he signs with Edmonton after winning a cup, and also after missing our annual February cold snap and thus not understanding the haunted look in Edmonton fans eyes in early March.

I don’t have the time nor the crayons to tell you why that logic is extremely flawed

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Canada is cold, we get it. Kinda odd to make it the central argument for athletes that you know, grew up playing on ice.

The Sunbelt is nice one in a while, and you get that plenty, travelling all the time, but you would have to pay me to have my main residence in permanent forest fire oven bake hell hole.

Sounds like you know nothing about SoCal. The fire areas you’re referring to are just a very small part of SoCal. And the weather is not very hot. On average, the summer months are in the mid 80’s.

 

[Voight]

Jeff Jackson must have studied under Ken Holland.

Gotta go back and find those comments from Oilers fan praising him and praying he'd just name himself GM after signing Arvidsson, Skinner et all.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Would you say Emberson is playing better or just what he should be?

For me it would be neutral.

Kulack in his 4th year is arguably playing his best I guess. But I wouldn't say he is doing amazing.

Kulak was sold to us as a solid #5D, and is paid as such. I still remember those laughing about the Oilers giving up a 2nd + 5th for him. He's been playing 20 mins a game, big part of the PK, had an impact on his off side paired with Nurse when Darnell finally turned his game around. Beyond that he usually plays his best hockey in the playoffs. Kulak never gets the credit he deserves.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Sounds like you know nothing about SoCal. The fire areas you’re referring to are just a very small part of SoCal. And the weather is not very hot. On average, the summer months are in the mid 80’s.

Alright I might have to get 2 minutes for embellishments, added a bit too much to the story telling.

But you can enjoy your weather and still understand others have different preferences.

Assuming a dude born in one of the most northern part of Sweden, that just left LA to sign on the most northern team as free agent and got a nmc would view the socal weather as a convincing argument to be on the move is kind of a stretch.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Alright I might have to get 2 minutes for embellishments, added a bit too much to the story telling.

But you can enjoy your weather and still understand others have different preferences.

Assuming a dude born in one of the most northern part of Sweden, that just left LA to sign on the most northern team as free agent and got a nmc would view the socal weather as a convincing argument to be on the move is kind of a stretch.

I’d tend to agree with everything else you said. Not sure why that other poster thought otherwise.