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Proposal: ANA - EDM The NMC Affair

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Since the Oilers have everyone in their top nine with some sort of trade protection (with the exception of Perry) it would take an enticing location, like California, for one or more of these outstanding players to waive NTCs and NMCs.

With that in mind...

:edmonton

Brian Dumoulin (LHD) $3.15 Million AAV Pending UFA

:ducks

Viktor Ardvisson (LW) $4 Million AAV
2nd Round Pick 2025
Conditional 4th round pick (depending on how far the Oilers make it in the playoffs, pick gets bumped)

I think it would take a sunny destination for Ardvisson to waive his NMC, so Anaheim fits the bill. Of course posters on here will rant and rave about the Oilers needing to add a 1st to move him and all that but realistically Ardvisson is probably worth a 4th in a real world trade.

Dumoulin kills penalties and has been a great veteran presence on the Ducks blueline. However, his presence has blocked the playing time of talented, younger players like Pavel Mintyukov and Olen Zellweger. One or the other usually gets scratched as a result. The Oilers are rumored to be looking for this kind of player.

Dumoulin loves it in Anaheim but maybe he signs with Edmonton after winning a cup, and also after missing our annual February cold snap and thus not understanding the haunted look in Edmonton fans eyes in early March.
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Why would you assume that the top criteria for Arvidsson is 'sun' when he just chose to sign a NMC with a contender in one of the coldest, greyest cities in the NHL?

Seems to me that Arvidsson would prefer to go to a contender and potentially play on the wing of a top C.

He might be willing to go to Anaheim, but your reasoning doesn't hold a lot of weight imo
 
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The Devilish Buffoon said:
Why would you assume that the top criteria for Arvidsson is 'sun' when he just chose to sign a NMC with a contender in one of the coldest, greyest cities in the NHL?

Seems to me that Arvidsson would prefer to go to a contender and potentially play on the wing of a top C.

He might be willing to go to Anaheim, but your reasoning doesn't hold a lot of weight imo
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I dunno, after this past month he might want to enjoy temperatures above freezing.

If you weren't here you can't know what I am talking about.
 
TFHockey said:
Geez!

We had a pretty bad cold snap for about three weeks in Feb. The lows were around -36C. I make jokes of course, but I think Ardvisson would like to live and work in California again. He might waive for that.

Maybe.
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He might, absolutely, especially if he thinks he can produce well there over the next 100 or so games.

But guys want to play in the playoffs. Arvidsson left a sunny contender to come to Edmonton, and I think a lot of that had to do with Edmonton's Cs and the fact that they made the finals.

EDIT: speaking to value, I think this is a good trade. Maybe a little rich from Edmonton's perspective, but probably what it would take. Looks like a dream of a deal from an Anaheim perspective, IMO, but also not unreasonably so. Good proposal, assuming Arvidsson would be willing to waive.
 
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TFHockey said:
Since the Oilers have everyone in their top nine with some sort of trade protection (with the exception of Perry) it would take an enticing location, like California, for one or more of these outstanding players to waive NTCs and NMCs.

With that in mind...

:edmonton

Brian Dumoulin (LHD) $3.15 Million AAV Pending UFA

:ducks

Viktor Ardvisson (LW) $4 Million AAV
2nd Round Pick 2025
Conditional 4th round pick (depending on how far the Oilers make it in the playoffs, pick gets bumped)

I think it would take a sunny destination for Ardvisson to waive his NMC, so Anaheim fits the bill. Of course posters on here will rant and rave about the Oilers needing to add a 1st to move him and all that but realistically Ardvisson is probably worth a 4th in a real world trade.

Dumoulin kills penalties and has been a great veteran presence on the Ducks blueline. However, his presence has blocked the playing time of talented, younger players like Pavel Mintyukov and Olen Zellweger. One or the other usually gets scratched as a result. The Oilers are rumored to be looking for this kind of player.

Dumoulin loves it in Anaheim but maybe he signs with Edmonton after winning a cup, and also after missing our annual February cold snap and thus not understanding the haunted look in Edmonton fans eyes in early March.
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I’d be okay with this trade…

I think arvidsson could be a good line mate for Leo, and if we can get some production off arvidsson we can flip him next offseason for an assets
 
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I think Dumo is worth at least a 3rd round pick on his own. Not sure the upgrade in picks is enough to take on the Arvidsson contract. His production has been pretty poor, particularly when you consider he's played on Draisaitl's line. But I don't hate it since next year he can play down the lineup and would be an upgrade to McGinn, Leason and Fabbri.
 
The Devilish Buffoon said:
Why would you assume that the top criteria for Arvidsson is 'sun' when he just chose to sign a NMC with a contender in one of the coldest, greyest cities in the NHL?

Seems to me that Arvidsson would prefer to go to a contender and potentially play on the wing of a top C.

He might be willing to go to Anaheim, but your reasoning doesn't hold a lot of weight imo
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Agreed. Ardvisson wants a contender. I imagine if his contract is 'this' bad that he won't be moved to one.

Thing is honestly with his past production he was a good player. I always wonder when a good player goes to a new team and struggles. It seems a lot of players go to Edmonton and struggle. I wonder why?

Ekholm - probably has rose to the occasion and is the exception.
Hyman - as well
 
I'm pretty sure that conditional picks like that aren't allowed any longer. Otherwise, sure what the hell.

Fwiw I read somewhere that Dumo wants to go back east to play because of family reasons (probably wouldn't sign after the season).
 
duckpuck said:
But I don't hate it since next year he can play down the lineup and would be an upgrade to McGinn, Leason and Fabbri.
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That was my thinking too. Pretty sure that his contract is only through next year. He could replace Dumo's 'vet presence', slot into the 3rd line, & potentially be flipped next year (if he agrees to waive again). Worst case, he's no better or worse than the above three & he's gone after the season. Best case he has chemistry with one of the young forwards/centers & that line goes on a tear.
 
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If we're dealing with Anaheim, and if Arvidsson is willing to waive to go there, I'd prefer to do something around Gibson, as long as Kane isn't going to be ready and we can use his 5M cap space for bringing in these two. Gibson and Dumoulin for Arvidsson and a collection of picks and prospects would be something that should interest Edmonton because it improves us now on the blueline and in goal for the playoffs, and it should interest Anaheim as it would give them some good assets for the future, and a winger that can likely contribute now, and be flipped a year from now. Unless they feel Gibson's presence is too important to Dostal's development, or Dumoulin's presence is too important for the development of their young defensemen of course.
 
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KrisLetAngry said:
Agreed. Ardvisson wants a contender. I imagine if his contract is 'this' bad that he won't be moved to one.

Thing is honestly with his past production he was a good player. I always wonder when a good player goes to a new team and struggles. It seems a lot of players go to Edmonton and struggle. I wonder why?

Ekholm - probably has rose to the occasion and is the exception.
Hyman - as well
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Huh? Along with the two guys you mentioned we could add

Kulack
Emberson
Pickard

They haven't struggled at all.

Or do you just mean the big three: J. Skinner, Ardvisson, and Henrique? Yeah to varying degrees they've disappointed. No outright disasters but more or less underwhelming.
 
TFHockey said:
Huh? Along with the two guys you mentioned we could add

Kulack
Emberson
Pickard

They haven't struggled at all.

Or do you just mean the big three: J. Skinner, Ardvisson, and Henrique? Yeah to varying degrees they've disappointed. No outright disasters but more or less underwhelming.
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Would you say Emberson is playing better or just what he should be?

For me it would be neutral.

Kulack in his 4th year is arguably playing his best I guess. But I wouldn't say he is doing amazing.
 
WhatTheDuck said:
The recent interview with Dumo sure made it sound like he's interested in staying put
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THIS - Ducks fans need to recalibrate their mindset. Its not 2020 - 2024 anymore. We could very likely hang onto these cheap vets as we push for the playoffs. We also need these vets around to mentor the kids.
 
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KrisLetAngry said:
Would you say Emberson is playing better or just what he should be?

For me it would be neutral.

Kulack in his 4th year is arguably playing his best I guess. But I wouldn't say he is doing amazing.
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None of those guys are struggling, which was the point of the post I was responding to.
 
No issue with this trade at all. The Ducks need to move on from McGinn, Lundestrom, and Leason and even at the level Arvidsson is playing at right now is better then any of them.

It's a low risk high reward move.
Worst case scenario they have an overpaid bottom 6 winger for a year and the Ducks got a 2nd instead of a 3rd for Dumo and a 3rd.
High upside could range from him rebounding into a 60+ point top 6 forward, or fetching the Ducks more draft capital at the deadline next year.

quackquackquack said:
THIS - Ducks fans need to recalibrate their mindset. Its not 2020 - 2024 anymore. We could very likely hang onto these cheap vets as we push for the playoffs. We also need these vets around to mentor the kids.
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Zellweger and Minty need to play very night. There isn't room for everyone now, and thats not even taking Luneau into account who is leading the AHL in PPG for defensemen with 40 in 40.

Lacombe
Gudas
Trouba
Mintyukov
Helleson
Zellweger
Dumoulin
Luneau

Even if they trade Dumoulin, they still are going to have to sit a kid who should be playing every night, or force Luneau to stay in the AHL for another year until an injury.

Something has got to give.
 
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Gliff said:
No issue with this trade at all. The Ducks need to move on from McGinn, Lundestrom, and Leason and even at the level Arvidsson is playing at right now is better then any of them.

It's a low risk high reward move.
Worst case scenario they have an overpaid bottom 6 winger for a year and the Ducks got a 2nd instead of a 3rd for Dumo and a 3rd.
High upside could range from him rebounding into a 60+ point top 6 forward, or fetching the Ducks more draft capital at the deadline next year.


Zellweger and Minty need to play very night. There isn't room for everyone now, and thats not even taking Luneau into account who is leading the AHL in PPG for defensemen with 40 in 40.

Lacombe
Gudas
Trouba
Mintyukov
Helleson
Zellweger
Dumoulin
Luneau

Even if they trade Dumoulin, they still are going to have to sit a kid who should be playing every night, or force Luneau to stay in the AHL for another year until an injury.

Something has got to give.
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100% we have a logjam but i think the front office wants to retain/load up as opposed to selling off vets like we have seen the last 4-5 years.

My new opinion is to trade one of the high value D (Zelly likely) for a difference making F.
 
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Gliff said:
No issue with this trade at all. The Ducks need to move on from McGinn, Lundestrom, and Leason and even at the level Arvidsson is playing at right now is better then any of them.

It's a low risk high reward move.
Worst case scenario they have an overpaid bottom 6 winger for a year and the Ducks got a 2nd instead of a 3rd for Dumo and a 3rd.
High upside could range from him rebounding into a 60+ point top 6 forward, or fetching the Ducks more draft capital at the deadline next year.


Zellweger and Minty need to play very night. There isn't room for everyone now, and thats not even taking Luneau into account who is leading the AHL in PPG for defensemen with 40 in 40.

Lacombe
Gudas
Trouba
Mintyukov
Helleson
Zellweger
Dumoulin
Luneau

Even if they trade Dumoulin, they still are going to have to sit a kid who should be playing every night, or force Luneau to stay in the AHL for another year until an injury.

Something has got to give.
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That’s basically how I see it… arvidsson essentially replaces fabbri
 
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