Proposal: Ana/Col

[strictlyrandy]

He's also not much of a prospect I suppose. Didn't even realize he was 25. Why in the world would the Ducks want him .

No idea....in his defense (oh the irony as he doesn't defend himself haha), he showed some promise at the end of last year and this pre-season. No idea what happened to him. It'd be nice to see him get his game back.

Still, the Ducks have no need for him. He's merely a cheap throw in right now.

 

[anezthes]

To Colorado
F Max Jones
D Cam Fowler

To Anaheim
F Aj Greer
D Eric Gelinas
1st round pick

Was reading a tweet from one of the bsn guys that with Mitchell being waived today that they have just enough to have room for Fowlers cap hit. Very interesting. Also makes mention that the Ducks liked Greer and wanted him at the draft. He's the Rampage point leader at the moment. Kids looked good all camp and pre season and now as a rookie in the AHL.

What in the world? No. Ridiculous proposal.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I guess it's a good thing Greer isn't a Dman in that case....


Greer is basically a further developed Max Jones. Maybe not quite as much of a mean streak as Jones can possess.


I actually think Greer would be a really nice prospect for Anaheim, and fits the style of play they have well. I also think the Avs shouldn't even be entertaining the idea of trading him right now. Kid has shown some very good development since being drafted, and is starting to look like a promising prospect for a future Middle 6 role with the Avs.

SOh what your telling me is Greer isnt too much more value then jones if any, so then the rest of he trade is gelinas which we have no need or interest in and a 1st that is likely to move deeper in a questionable draft?

I don't think a 1st and gelinas gets you Fowler and the difference between jones and Greer doesn't make that up, not to mention jones is having a pretty huge year right now. Not close at all Imo, much rather stick with Jones.


And to add to thst Fowler is having a big season too, I don't think he is available if he was expect to pay a premium, dmen don't come cheap. We're not in a rebuild we need pieces to help now, package deals for Fowler if we do move him will happen at draft not during season.

 

[Balthazar]

Why has no one mentioned that Fowler is only signed for 2 seasons until UFA? Avs' 1st is worth more than 2 years of Fowler.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Why has no one mentioned that Fowler is only signed for 2 seasons until UFA? Avs' 1st is worth more than 2 years of Fowler.

Not really, from a team trying to win now how is trading a top pairing dmen for a 1st pick good value.


Maybe if we felt we can't hold on to Fowler, but I think we may be able to keep him after this cotract and I think that is our goal. Either way Wed just hold him until next season deadline and let the contenders bid on him unless we needed the cap space now or got a trade that was over the top and we'd be dumb not too.

 

[Paul4587]

If Fowler is dealt we would need a very good forward coming back. Problem is the Avs won't part with Landeskog/Duchene and we can't take on their cap hit.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

SOh what your telling me is Greer isnt too much more value then jones if any, so then the rest of he trade is gelinas which we have no need or interest in and a 1st that is likely to move deeper in a questionable draft?

I don't think a 1st and gelinas gets you Fowler and the difference between jones and Greer doesn't make that up, not to mention jones is having a pretty huge year right now. Not close at all Imo, much rather stick with Jones.


And to add to thst Fowler is having a big season too, I don't think he is available if he was expect to pay a premium, dmen don't come cheap. We're not in a rebuild we need pieces to help now, package deals for Fowler if we do move him will happen at draft not during season.

.....No? That's not what I am saying at all.


Please show me where in my post I make any mention at all of Fowler, Gelinas, or anything outside of Greer and Jones.



Please do not add words to my posts.

 

[xxreact9]

Was going to ask because I'm so out of the loop; has Fowler's value dropped or something?

Fowler's value on hfboards is very drastically different from his actual value in real life. This is because the fans and media single-handedly INVENTED the idea that Fowler was expendable, Fowler absolutely needed to be traded, Fowler would waste an expansion protection, Fowler can't be re-signed, Fowler isn't a top pairing D and can be replaced by their prospects, BM has no bargaining power and MUST trade Fowler for Tatar or Spooner etc. etc. Not 1 of the things I just said are actually true, but they've been perceived as true by fans and media for the last few months. Thus, they believe Fowler's value is super low.

The shocking part is that some people STILL believe it... after the GM clearly showed no intention of shopping Fowler, and after Fowler showed up in a huge way to start the season.

None of these notions are true, and they never were true. The GM never considered trading Fowler at any point in time, guaranteed. But the fans here already bought his plane tickets.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Fowler's value on hfboards is very drastically different from his actual value in real life.

It's because of his fancy stats. It's dumb I know, he's a good defender but because he has a bad hero chart he's therefor not a good defenseman.

 

[Pennaduck]

Fowler's value on hfboards is very drastically different from his actual value in real life. This is because the fans and media single-handedly INVENTED the idea that Fowler was expendable, Fowler absolutely needed to be traded, Fowler would waste an expansion protection, Fowler can't be re-signed, Fowler isn't a top pairing D and can be replaced by their prospects, BM has no bargaining power and MUST trade Fowler for Tatar or Spooner etc. etc. Not 1 of the things I just said are actually true, but they've been perceived as true by fans and media for the last few months. Thus, they believe Fowler's value is super low.

The shocking part is that some people STILL believe it... after the GM clearly showed no intention of shopping Fowler, and after Fowler showed up in a huge way to start the season.

None of these notions are true, and they never were true. The GM never considered trading Fowler at any point in time, guaranteed. But the fans here already bought his plane tickets.

I'd like to also add that his advanced stats have been poor, so people who get wet to those numbers assume he is of far lesser value than he actually is. The perception of Fowler on this site is ridiculous, and the overwhelming majority of trade proposals that involve him are terrible for anaheim

 

[Muffin]

Fowler is the most underrated player on these boards.

And no, it's not a terrible offer, but really does nothing for Ducks. Fowler, apparently, is not going anywhere at this point.

If Col wants Fowler, you're looking at Landeskog as base.

If Ducks trade Fowler is going to be for futures. The reason they're even trading him is to shred salary, they can't take any salary back.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

This is one of the worst.

 

[AngelDuck]

Wow that is one of the worst proposals I have seen on here and that's really saying something

The Ducks have shown potential to be an elite defensive team when Lindholm comes back so I highly doubt we're going to move anyone. We have 4 top 4 defenders (Lindholm, Fowler, Vatanen, Manson) and a guy with a ton of potential on the 3rd pairing (Theodore). Bieksa is the only weak link. It would be nice to have more scoring forwards but not at the sacrifice of a potentially dominant defense

 

[Sojourn]

If Ducks trade Fowler is going to be for futures. The reason they're even trading him is to shred salary, they can't take any salary back.

I don't think this is true at all. The reason Anaheim would trade him is because they may feel that they can't afford to re-sign him. That is a very, very different thing than what you're saying. His $4m salary hit is a very, very good value for the level of play he brings. Ridiculously good, in fact. He's not some sort of cap dump, and while the return could be futures, its simply not true to state they can't take salary back.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Why has no one mentioned that Fowler is only signed for 2 seasons until UFA? Avs' 1st is worth more than 2 years of Fowler.

Two months of a rental winger like Andrew Ladd can bring back a 1st + an NHL ready winger prospect but 2 seasons of a top pairing D like Fowler isn't even worth a 1st?

If you're trying to say that it doesn't fit the Avs direction to give up a 1st rounder for a player with less than two seasons on their deal, that's fine. But when you use a word like "worth" you seem to be referring to value, and Fowler is absolutely worth a lot more than an unknown 1st.