Proposal: Ana/Col

[S E P H]

This thread has just regressed into a jumble pile of mess starting with the opening post which is clearly off value by a huge margin to the posts who think Fowler is hilariously worth Landeskog.

 

[Halla]

A pick that will be worse with them adding Fowler to their blueline.
A forward prospect who hasn't proven anything except doing well in the AHL in a small sample size we have seen players before do well in the AHL and it doesn't always mean they will be productive in the NHL.
A defenseman we don't want and need with that being our strength of our franchise.

Getting a bunch of gambling parts for a young top pair defenseman

right, right.Anaheim is still holding out for a 23 year old top 6 forward with high upside .

if they wanna shore up their scoring, fowler has to be part of the package. I wasnt referring to that alone, but just the hilariousness that fowler is worth more than what is #4OA right now + a top prospect

 

[Ducks in a row]

This thread has just regressed into a jumble pile of mess starting with the opening post which is clearly off value by a huge margin to the posts who think Fowler is hilariously worth Landeskog.

Fowler currently is outproducing Landeskog and we know how value young defenseman have been in trades. Fowler might or might not be worth Landeskog but it isn't hilarious to think he is.

 

[Avs44]

This thread has just regressed into a jumble pile of mess starting with the opening post which is clearly off value by a huge margin to the posts who think Fowler is hilariously worth Landeskog.

Eh...I don't really blame Ducks fans for asking for that. Certainly he isn't worth that, but when looking at the Ducks' needs and what the Avs actually have, that's kind of the logical thing for them to ask for.

 

[lindholmie]

fowler has more points than landeskog and plays 24+ mins lol its not that crazy of an ask

 

[Ducks in a row]

right, right.Anaheim is still holding out for a 23 year old top 6 forward with high upside .

if they wanna shore up their scoring, fowler has to be part of the package. I wasnt referring to that alone, but just the hilariousness that fowler is worth more than what is #4OA right now + a top prospect

With them adding Fowler the pick becomes less valuable with their roster being better so that pick could end up anywhere we ain't gambling if we trade Fowler we want something that helps us do well now and with how much good defenseman have gone for recently well teams need to pay up something nice.

 

[Avs44]

Fowler currently is outproducing Landeskog and we know how value young defenseman have been in trades. Fowler might or might not be worth Landeskog but it isn't hilarious to think he is.

fowler has more points than landeskog and plays 24+ mins lol its not that crazy of an ask

Oh good, nice 9 game sample size you guys have there

 

[strictlyrandy]

Eh...I don't really blame Ducks fans for asking for that. Certainly he isn't worth that, but when looking at the Ducks' needs and what the Avs actually have, that's kind of the logical thing for them to ask for.

Wait...how is it logical to ask for Landeskog when he's the only top 6 wing the Avs have? Fowler doesn't replace EJ, Zadorov, Barrie, or even Wiercioch imo.

How can anyone look at Colorado's lack of top 6 wings and go "Totally makes sense to ask for their only top 6 wing in return for a defenseman they don't need"?

 

[Sojourn]

right, right.Anaheim is still holding out for a 23 year old top 6 forward with high upside .

if they wanna shore up their scoring, fowler has to be part of the package. I wasnt referring to that alone, but just the hilariousness that fowler is worth more than what is #4OA right now + a top prospect

Again, that package isn't a #4OA pick and a top prospect.

And Anaheim isn't holding out for anything. They are holding on to Fowler. See the difference?

 

[Avs44]

Wait...how is it logical to ask for Landeskog when he's the only top 6 wing the Avs have? Fowler doesn't replace EJ, Zadorov, Barrie, or even Wiercioch imo.

How can anyone look at Colorado's lack of top 6 wings and go "Totally makes sense to ask for their only top 6 wing in return for a defenseman they don't need"?

It's logical from their perspective. It's stupid from the Avs' perspective. I've not seen any of them suggest it's something the Avs should do, just what it would take if the Avs asked...and the OP is an Avs fan so...

 

[Sojourn]

Wait...how is it logical to ask for Landeskog when he's the only top 6 wing the Avs have? Fowler doesn't replace EJ, Zadorov, Barrie, or even Wiercioch imo.

How can anyone look at Colorado's lack of top 6 wings and go "Totally makes sense to ask for their only top 6 wing in return for a defenseman they don't need"?

That's a completely different argument. Note that Anaheim fans aren't offering Fowler here. The proposal, which didn't come from an Anaheim fan, includes him.

 

[strictlyrandy]

I would 100% trade gardiner for that. Colorado isnt good...thats gonna be a top 10 pick. Greer is a very good prospect. gelinas is a toss in

Man the Avs can't win. They get told Roy is the problem, they don't possess enough, their fancy stats suck. They replace Roy, they posses the puck more, are outshooting their opponents by a fair margin yet still aren't good? You do realize that they're gonna start scoring again right? This bad luck isn't going to keep up considering they're doing everything else right.

A top 10 pick is highly unlikely. This team may not be a cup contender but they should absolutely be in the playoffs.

Or you know, you could ignore everything about the Avs and just make wild claims you literally can't back up.

 

[strictlyrandy]

That's a completely different argument. Note that Anaheim fans aren't offering Fowler here. The proposal, which didn't come from an Anaheim fan, includes him.

You missed my point entirely. Congratulations. Avs44 answered it well enough though.

 

[Sojourn]

Oh good, nice 9 game sample size you guys have there

Let's be fair here. If Landeskog were lighting it up right now, you'd likely be saying it is that much tougher to acquire him. I don't think the difference between Fowler and Landeskog is so big to not consider current play. I don't think it makes sense for Colorado to move him, but it also doesn't make sense for Anaheim to move Fowler for anything short of an overpayment. He's been their best player this season.

 

[Sojourn]

You missed my point entirely. Congratulations. Avs44 answered it well enough though.

I didn't miss your point, but thank you.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Oh good, nice 9 game sample size you guys have there

Yea it is a small sample size but Fowler has still been great for us we don't want to trade him never have.

 

[Oberyn]

Wow that's bad for the Ducks

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

A top 10 pick in a questionable draft. Where do I sign up?

You can have your mystery box. I'll take the player that is carrying Anaheim's blue line.

But the mystery box could be anything. It could even be a player that is carrying Anaheim's blue line.

 

[Sojourn]

But the mystery box cold be anything. It could even be a player that is carrying Anaheim's blue line.

Nice.

I also expect Colorado to finish higher than they are now. I think they're a better team than this.

 

[Vinegar Strokes]

Wait...how is it logical to ask for Landeskog when he's the only top 6 wing the Avs have? Fowler doesn't replace EJ, Zadorov, Barrie, or even Wiercioch imo.

How can anyone look at Colorado's lack of top 6 wings and go "Totally makes sense to ask for their only top 6 wing in return for a defenseman they don't need"?

I must be confused. You didn't seriously suggest that Fowler is worse than Wiercioch...did you?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Not to mention a complete lack of need on Anaheim's end. We still have Theodore, Montour, Larsson, Welinski, and Mahura waiting behind an already young and talented blueline. There's just no reason to target a D prospect in a trade.

Any trade for Fowler would need to be centered around an equivalent forward. Think Duch, Landy or Mack.

I guess it's a good thing Greer isn't a Dman in that case....


Greer is basically a further developed Max Jones. Maybe not quite as much of a mean streak as Jones can possess.


I actually think Greer would be a really nice prospect for Anaheim, and fits the style of play they have well. I also think the Avs shouldn't even be entertaining the idea of trading him right now. Kid has shown some very good development since being drafted, and is starting to look like a promising prospect for a future Middle 6 role with the Avs.

 

[Vinegar Strokes]

I guess it's a good thing Greer isn't a Dman in that case....


Greer is basically a further developed Max Jones. Maybe not quite as much of a mean streak as Jones can possess.


I actually think Greer would be a really nice prospect for Anaheim, and fits the style of play they have well. I also think the Avs shouldn't even be entertaining the idea of trading him right now. Kid has shown some very good development since being drafted, and is starting to look like a promising prospect for a future Middle 6 role with the Avs.

I was talking about Gelinas. There's zero reason for the Ducks to target him in a trade.

 

[strictlyrandy]

I was talking about Gelinas. There's zero reason for the Ducks to target him in a trade.

The point is still valid, he hasn't been much of a defenseman this season tbh.

 

[dracom]

I would 100% trade gardiner for that. Colorado isnt good...thats gonna be a top 10 pick. Greer is a very good prospect. gelinas is a toss in

And that's why the Leafs have been terrible for so long. Trading proven good players for future and potential.

 

[Vinegar Strokes]

The point is still valid, he hasn't been much of a defenseman this season tbh.

He's also not much of a prospect I suppose. Didn't even realize he was 25. Why in the world would the Ducks want him .