Alright, I'll be the one to ask. Why do we hate PLD and Jeff Carter but Laine gets a pass?

[ProfessorFink22]

Well he had no intention of staying here and would never admit it. I think most of us felt led on right up until he signed in NY that he could stay.

I have no old articles to go back to as evidence here, but I always had the vibe that he was going to be a free agent. I remember there being a discourse he was going to sign in a bigger market (NY specifically) way before he left. I liked his attitude while he was here, though, all the vibes were good. He could have easily been upset about leaving Kane and Chicago but he didn't pout.

 

[Jovavic]

^Exactly, which is why I got no beef with Bread. He signed in Chicago to play with Kane, which he did for a few years, gets traded to a small market team but gives his all, proving he can be a Batman instead of just Kane's Robin, then he flies the coop to the biggest city and the brightest lights. If he's in Kane's shadow for those two years instead of here, I don't think he gets 11+ million in free agency.

 

[ViD]

Well he had no intention of staying here and would never admit it. I think most of us felt led on right up until he signed in NY that he could stay.

I mean how many players openly say “I am not staying” ? Had he said “I would re - sign” and then left, that would’ve been a different story

 

[Doggy]

Well he had no intention of staying here and would never admit it. I think most of us felt led on right up until he signed in NY that he could stay.

Like others, I call BS. Any fan with common sense knew Panarin was leaving when the season was done and he was a UFA. I don't boo the guy, he came, never complained or seemed to dog it here and gave us two super entertaining years. I am very confident Jarmo had been clearly told Bread was not re-signing to stay in Columbus and he rolled the dice for a playoff run and hoped he could change Bread's mind.

In the end...and I am not defending Carter in any way...the blame for the disaster that was the Carter trade has to be shared between Carter who acted unprofessionally and the CBJ front office. Maybe hindsight is 20-20 but considering the situation it seems to me the CBJ should have done more due diligence before making that trade.

 

[MissADD]

I am not defending Carter, but getting traded away 7 months after you sign an 11 year contract with a NTC that was going to start a week later is definably a gut punch. He still should have handled better, but with it having happened 13 years ago I can look at with more objective view, He handled the situation terribly, but he was put into a shocking situation by the sudden trade. Topic for a different thread, but I wonder if things would have been different if the CBJ got both Carter and Richards, that was apparently an offer.

 

[VT]

Hockey is as much a job for players as it is for people. When they don't like it, they try to change it. Of course, I'm sorry if players want to leave, but I don't blame them. What's important to me is that as long as they play here, they try to play their best, they behave like professionals. If someone doesn't do that, it's a completely different thing.

 

[MoeBartoli]

The Mt Rushmore of Jackets Traitors includes Carter, PLD and Foote. The 4th member’s face has yet to be carved. It certainly does not include Laine or Panarin. And hopefully I won’t see that 4th face added anytime soon

 

[Xoggz22]

Has already been said, but I put Laine in the same category as Rick Nash. Neither was vocal about their wanting to leave and neither displayed actions that indicated they did not want to be here. PLD and Carter simply went about their desire to play elsewhere in a very unprofessional manner. Laine and Nash gave full effort their entire time here. I have no ill will towards either of them, but simply can not accept the way Carter and PLD left the organization. Big difference between these scenarios in my book.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

If we're gonna talk Bob and Bread in this thread, we need to talk Seth Jones.

 

[Jovavic]

Seth Jones.

Going to set off bus' Bat signal

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Going to set off bus' Bat signal

OK.

Point is, in a thread where we're discussing guys who bailed to one degree or another, Seth doesn't get a pass.

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

Foote's really the only one who pissed me off.

PLD and Carter at least had the good sense to be openly pouty and let everyone know they were one foot out the door.

Foote talked and acted the big, dedicated leader game all while gassing up the private jet.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

PLD and Carter at least had the good sense to be openly pouty and let everyone know they were one foot out the door.

I don't see why this is a positive thing that should endear them to me.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I don't see why this is a positive thing that should endear them to me.

Does the post say it's a good thing that should endear them to you?

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Does the post say it's a good thing that should endear them to you?

It seems to imply respect because they openly pouted.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

It seems to imply respect because they openly pouted.

Understood. I didn't take it that way (I read that Foote's duplicitousness made his traitorous action even worse) but it's not my post so...

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

I don't see why this is a positive thing that should endear them to me.

I am being a tad flippant.

BUT there is an honesty in PLD and Carter's behavior. People can criticize them all they want for how they handled themselves. That's certainly fair game. You may think they're giant babies. But they weren't liars. They weren't phonies. They were both pretty clear on their intentions.

I'd much rather have an unhappy employee/coworker be honest about their feelings than to be a liar.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I am being a tad flippant.

BUT there is an honesty in PLD and Carter's behavior. People can criticize them all they want for how they handled themselves. That's certainly fair game. You may think they're giant babies. But they weren't liars. They weren't phonies. They were both pretty clear on their intentions.

I'd much rather have an unhappy employee/coworker be honest about their feelings than to be a liar.

However there is a difference in being an unhappy co-worker and being a guy who half-asses his job because he is unhappy.

I think that is an important distinction. There might be lots of guys who are honest behind closed doors that we don't see but when you are a part of the problem in the locker room and on the ice.

Sure, PLD might have been honest internally about wanting out but his pitiful effort and getting stapled to the bench was his own doing. Jeff Carter may never have wanted to come here but his obligation to the crap ton of money he was getting paid didn't have to become a locker room distraction by being a jagoff to everybody he encountered.

 

[thebus88]

Wait, I’m missing something, didn’t Laine literally quit on the team during the season and then demand a trade, to the point it was publicly announced that he would never play for the CBJ again??

We can of course use our IMAGINATIONS as to why these things happened, but, they DID happen, correct? How many players have gone through the same situations in professional sports and still managed to fulfill their contracts/obligations?

No different than Carter or Dubois.

Who was/is different?? Rick Nash. That ended with the team actually getting a very good return. It was obviously disappointing and would have been great if he stayed around, or came back years after, but, he paid his dues to the team/organization. Would it have been better off if he stayed around and we lost him as a UFA. Do some of you believe he should have committed his entire career to the CBJ?

 

[thebus88]

To me, the difference is clear. Laine always acted like he gave a sh** while he was with the team.

Gave a shit about what? Winning games or scoring points/goals??

 

[thebus88]

Laine did much the same here for 4 years. Even picked up the same "trying to do way too much" syndrome Nash did.

It’s ridiculous and borderline disrespectful to compare the players and their situations, time with, and performance with the CBJ.

While Nash wasn’t a perfect player, he made the team better. Players around him better. Their style of play is so different. The EFFORT and ability he showed on a consistent basis over many years was on a completely different level than Laine.

The people who were beating their heads on the wall, were the other players (and coaches) in the locker room, on the bench, and on the ice WITH Laine. Not to mention the fans who literally couldn’t enjoy watching CBJ games anymore.

The CBJ team was better the day Nash was traded because of the return he allowed them to get. The CBJ team was better the day Laine was traded simply by removing his cap hit and him from the team.

 

[thebus88]

OK.

Point is, in a thread where we're discussing guys who bailed to one degree or another, Seth doesn't get a pass.

How do we know the team even wanted or expressed to Jones they were going re-sign him after signing Werenski to a similar contract??

You and others will dismiss it, but, I’m being serious. The organization had a chance to bring in his brother and stash him on the AHL team, IN-STATE, like they have with seemingly a countless amount of brothers and/or players with connections to Ohio/Columbus.

Then again, I’ve also never heard a concrete reason WHY people think Jones wanted to leave.

Hell, if we’re talking Jones, why not the current CAPTAIN of his team, and FORMER captain of the CBJ, Nick Foligno?? Did he “bail” on the CBJ? It’s almost like there’s seemingly a story there, eh?

 

[ViD]

Sergei Fedorov to some degree ?

 

[VT]

Sergei Fedorov to some degree ?

Sergei Fedorov played everywhere where Hitch wanted. Even as a defensman. I do not think he is one of the players who can be blamed for something.

 

[thebus88]

Sergei Fedorov to some degree ?

Want a serious answer??

Disappointed I’m the 1st to drop the name.

Nikita Filatov.