alltime greats

[HalifaxforNhl100]

Lindros or Lemieux is the two most talented players alltime imo
Havent seen really much hockey from Nhl though, whole games can say though
Forsberg is maybe anyhow perhaps more than a top player alltime imo for forwards, not sure though but very much although far from Marios and Gretzkys point productions
But im not convinced about that, Kent Nilsson was a great, one of the most underrated players ever
Phil Esposity had an incredible career from nowhere with Orr in the Bruins
Steve Yzerman and Mark Messier were more in class with Forsberg than Lemieux and Lindros when it comes to pure tslent imo

Bernie Nicholls at least quite underrated, yes ok he had a ”one hit wonder season” in 1988-89 with Gretzky, but put up good offensive numbers almost to the end in 1999. Were almost a great talent as a junior too, also as Dale Hawerchuk

Hawerchuk and Pat Lafontaine could have potential to be more than top 10 forwards of alltime

Mike Bossy, not so easy perhaps to decide how in fact dominant he could have been in Nhl, had be perhaps even more potential for scoring numbers than Gretzky?

Well yeah, Wayne were more than a great player, well, but when I think about it
Why were he avoided to physical contact like no one else??
I think its sick
And a degenerated part of ice hockey history…….

Lindros career surprises me though
He had ability to dominate the game, perhaps he in fact had capacity to do 180-190 points or near 200

Jagr were great undoubtedly also,
but yes he had much guidance from Lemieux

If Lindros would had concentrated a little more at least on skill then more toughness with tackles and rougher play, he had probably would have had capacity to dominate the game more than Mario and be the greatest ever if he had stayed healthy, and I guess more luck sometimes in scoring production

Kariya Selänne and Mogilny could had done better even also, Selanne could had capacity for at least clearly higher scoring numbers often in the regular season with more skilled players behind, he and Kariya could had done around or more thsn 150 points then I think or even 160-170
If it werent for Suter Kariya could had capacity for 125-140 points so as Selänne some season ahead, at least Kariya
Suter could have been suspended for the whole season and 30 games in the next season or more, it were only a vicious assault , had nothing with decent moral to do.

Have watched much clips from NHL games for quite many years since almost 20 years though

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[tabness]

im not with you on everything brother (though some of it for sure) but thanks for reminding me how blessed i was to grow up on these players

 

[HalifaxforNhl100]

Perhaps Ovechkin has had better or though similar offensive talents than Lemieux Lindros and McDavid
But quite a bit tougher physically that reduces his points, more than a little sometimes
maybe at least
And he has shot more earlier in his career more than anyone else ever also..

 

[Michael Farkas]

First of all, no notes. This is incredible.
Second of all, Lindros' getting 200 points in his era...with lower end hockey sense and playmaking vision than many of the all time greats...that'd be something. Unless he rigged it so that he got points for bullying dudes (or staring at his shoes while the game was going on).

 

[HalifaxforNhl100]

Perhaps not so easy to say
But Kariya were a better playmaker than Selänne, think he had capacity for maybe around 140 points, probably with a little players behind he and Selanne in the Mighty Ducks
I think Selanne could have done at least that number, maybe hard to for more than Jagrs european record but with players like Lindros maybe Ovechkin seen to the 90s era or a little rather Lindros on the same team or often lineup Kariya could have done a similar amount of points, he and Selänne could have done even about 155 points, who knows

 

[HalifaxforNhl100]

Think either Lindros or Lemieux were so good in average seen to most forwards often has been to work more defensively by the years since mid 90s when Nhl became more defensive
Sern to that Lemieux had a little higher capacity probably at least to could have got maybe 215-220 points several seasons more than Gretzky, if he could have stayed at least quite more healthy
Gretzkys incredible calculated number in 83-84 227 points in 82 games as nowadays are really hard to surpass even for Lemieux, but I hope possible though
Perhaps he had two types of back problems for a while in his career, without that he could have done 225-230 points one season maybe, but it hadnt been easy
92-93 were indeed a quite special season with new agreements I think it were, four games more and other better things also
Perhaps 84 were considered one or two too much eventually

 

[HalifaxforNhl100]

I want to think 240 points is possible, though 225-235 for suchs as Lemieux in an absolute prime

 

[Michael Farkas]

Do I hear 241?

 

[JackSlater]

I enjoy 90s stars as well.

 

[DitchMarner]

Well yeah, Wayne were more than a great player, well, but when I think about it
Why were he avoided to physical contact like no one else??
I think its sick
And a degenerated part of ice hockey history…….

What does this even mean?

 

[buffalowing88]

I feel like there's been a growing number of posters who may have...looser grasps on society in general. The Sabres forum has one who is talking about people stealing his things when he's not home. This feels like one of those threads. OP, you clearly love hockey and that's very much appreciated here, but take a step back and look at this post, otherwise. You're saying some wild stuff.

 

[VanIslander]

We could respect more personal experiences, when we accept it as that, instead of judging the perspective.

In the late 1970's i thought Dryden the best player in the world.

Let's talk more about why in explaining our viewpoints.

 

[HalifaxforNhl100]

What does this even mean?

Wayne Gretzky were surely more than one of the clearly better talents ever in hockey, but why were he so much more protected by enforcers in the Oilers like Lemieux werent or Lindros?
I have read about in a swedish forum flashback.org that if someone did hit him harder the opposite teams enforcers would give them hell

 

[Overrated]

Wayne Gretzky were surely more than one of the clearly better talents ever in hockey, but why were he so much more protected by enforcers in the Oilers like Lemieux werent or Lindros?
I have read about in a swedish forum flashback.org that if someone did hit him harder the opposite teams enforcers would give them hell

Klima said they would negotiate during face-offs to not hit Gretzky if the Oilers would not hit Yzerman and Klima.

 

[MadLuke]

I was going to say, much different than what Probert would do to you ?

 

[DitchMarner]

Wayne Gretzky were surely more than one of the clearly better talents ever in hockey, but why were he so much more protected by enforcers in the Oilers like Lemieux werent or Lindros?
I have read about in a swedish forum flashback.org that if someone did hit him harder the opposite teams enforcers would give them hell

He had Semenko for protection. That guy was called "Cementhead" for a reason.

But aside from that, he was slippery and elusive, and of course he's among the best ever in terms of on-ice awareness. He didn't put himself in positions to be hit hard that often to begin with.

 

[Gorskyontario]

I was going to say, much different than what Probert would do to you ?

McSorley was much dirtier than Probert.

 

[MadLuke]

Kocur tend, Bobby Clark before, I would imagine going after a Big Bad Bruins star for a while was risky, was it not a bit of the norm, creating a realitation to the offender + will go for your stars if you have one type of strategy for teams at the time ?

Could be all wrong and the Oilers went way above and beyond what others did.

 

[Retire91]

Lindros comes up in peak season talk but he just had too many concussions an injury. I don't think he will be one of those timeless all time greats like Lemieux. Like in two generations will people still bring up Lindros?

Cancer aside Lemieux's back issues prevented him from even thinking about the type of training players do today or even back then. I mean the guy even smoked. Imagine Lemieux with a Gary Roberts level of conditioning that never had to face serious disease. In that alternate timeline I think we would find a head and shoulders GOAT.

What I enjoyed so much about their play though was their physical strength towards the net. I mean Lemieux often scored with a defenseman clinging to him in the era of clutch and grab not being against the rules. Lindros would practically skate over defenders sometimes he probably could have gotten an NFL contract.