OT: All Things Coronavirus Covid-19 - Part XI - MOD ADVISORY POST 1

[Scotto74]

Meanwhile Finland had 4x fewer cases and more than 10x fewer deaths

so sweet- a little over half the population in their capital (60% is necessary to achieve herd immunity) is MAYBE immune. We don’t know if people can get reinfected or not yet, there seems to be some data showing it’s possible.

I’d argue the cost they paid in lives is not worth what *might* happen

where are you getting the numbers your quoting with 4x few cases and 10x few deaths. This is from the linked article.

The number of cases in Sweden is almost double that in neighboring Denmark (it has 8,108 cases and has reported 370 deaths) and Finland (with just over 4,000 cases and 141 deaths) that imposed strict lockdown measures. Since their populations are each about 5 million — half of Sweden’s — the rates are about the same, although the comparison could be skewed by testing numbers in each country.

 

[Smitty93]

Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach ‘herd immunity’ in weeks


Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach 'herd immunity' in weeks

The thing that I'm wondering is why it's worked out. The Nordic countries haven't been hit hard, whether they've instituted lockdowns or not. Is it because there's not as much travel from other countries, so the virus isn't getting there in the first place? Does it have to do with population density? Do Swedes naturally social distance?

I think one of the important things is figuring out why certain countries have had success and why others haven't. It's great that Sweden has done well, but can any of it translate to the U.S?

 

[Scotto74]

Charlie Baker says coronavirus surge in Massachusetts is ‘nowhere near as bad’ as initially feared


“While it is bad, there’s no question about that, it’s nowhere near as bad as a lot of people said it was going to be at the beginning,” Baker said during a press conference Tuesday afternoon.

Massachusetts coronavirus surge 'nowhere near as bad' as some feared | Boston.com

 

[Scotto74]

The thing that I'm wondering is why it's worked out. The Nordic countries haven't been hit hard, whether they've instituted lockdowns or not. Is it because there's not as much travel from other countries, so the virus isn't getting there in the first place? Does it have to do with population density? Do Swedes naturally social distance?

I think one of the important things is figuring out why certain countries have had success and why others haven't. It's great that Sweden has done well, but can any of it translate to the U.S?

Oh i agree with you 100%. Its just another piece of info to look at to see if what we are doing is helping as much as we think. You need to look at all sides to try and figure out the unknown but some people can't look at anything that doesn't come 100% from their side. its amazing.

 

[Alicat]

Charlie Baker says coronavirus surge in Massachusetts is ‘nowhere near as bad’ as initially feared


“While it is bad, there’s no question about that, it’s nowhere near as bad as a lot of people said it was going to be at the beginning,” Baker said during a press conference Tuesday afternoon.

Massachusetts coronavirus surge 'nowhere near as bad' as some feared | Boston.com

Great news.

I talked to my boss and we don't anticipate being back into the office until June

 

[Scotto74]

Great news.

I talked to my boss and we don't anticipate being back into the office until June

yes I am trying to find anything encouraging to look at which I guess some people don't like. I am still set to go back May 4th but I am sure things will change depending on how this week turns out.

 

[Smitty93]

where are you getting the numbers your quoting with 4x few cases and 10x few deaths. This is from the linked article.

The number of cases in Sweden is almost double that in neighboring Denmark (it has 8,108 cases and has reported 370 deaths) and Finland (with just over 4,000 cases and 141 deaths) that imposed strict lockdown measures. Since their populations are each about 5 million — half of Sweden’s — the rates are about the same, although the comparison could be skewed by testing numbers in each country.

Using Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,592,857 Cases and 181,083 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer:

Total Cases/1M Pop.
Sweden: 1,585
Finland: 745
Norway: 1,342

Deaths/1M Pop.
Sweden: 192
Finland: 27
Norway: 34

As you can see, Finland's case rate is about half as bad as Sweden, while Norway's is close to the same. The major difference is in death rate. Sweden is 7x Finland and 5.5x Norway.

EDIT: Adding Testing Numbers

Tests/1M Pop.
Sweden: 9,357
Finland: 12, 372
Norway: 27,421

 

[LSCII]

Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach ‘herd immunity’ in weeks


Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach 'herd immunity' in weeks

So they went counter to all the other countries near them, and had 3 times to 10 times the deaths of their neighboring countries. Sounds like a really shitty trade off, no?

But Sweden’s 1,937 deaths is far higher in number and proportionally to Denmark’s 370 and Finland’s 141.

 

[Smitty93]

Great news.

I talked to my boss and we don't anticipate being back into the office until June

yes I am trying to find anything encouraging to look at which I guess some people don't like. I am still set to go back May 4th but I am sure things will change depending on how this week turns out.

My company just announced that they're not expecting us to return to our offices (we've got a number spread throughout the country) until July 15th, unless conditions change significantly, in which case returning would be on a voluntary basis. Our work is easy to do from home, so it's not like there are drawbacks to being extra careful.

 

[Gee Wally]

'A disaster': Roche CEO's verdict on some COVID-19 antibody tests

This is a big deal.

 

[Scotto74]

Using Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,592,857 Cases and 181,083 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer:

Total Cases/1M Pop.
Sweden: 1,585
Finland: 745
Norway: 1,342

Deaths/1M Pop.
Sweden: 192
Finland: 27
Norway: 34

As you can see, Finland's case rate is about half as bad as Sweden, while Norway's is close to the same. The major difference is in death rate. Sweden is 7x Finland and 5.5x Norway.

So they went counter to all the other countries near them, and had 3 times to 10 times the deaths of their neighboring countries. Sounds like a really shitty trade off, no?

I just linked are article I didn't write it, I didn't endorse it, I didn't even give an opinion on it. Its just another piece of information to look at. take what you will from it.

 

[LSCII]

I just linked are article I didn't write it, I didn't endorse it, I didn't even give an opinion on it. Its just another piece of information to look at. take what you will from it.

Sure, I get that man! Not trying to suggest you agree or disagree. Just asking you for your thoughts. Keep in mind this is reportedly what Trump asked about initially as well. What happens if we don't do anything? Well, apparently the death rate skyrockets, but the virus doesn't have as long a lasting impact. Is that good or bad? I personally err on the side of caution, but that's just me. I'm not a doctor or a world leader. Tough spot to be in either way.

 

[Scotto74]

Sure, I get that man! Not trying to suggest you agree or disagree. Just asking you for your thoughts. Keep in mind this is reportedly what Trump asked about initially as well. What happens if we don't do anything? Well, apparently the death rate skyrockets, but the virus doesn't have as long a lasting impact. Is that good or bad? I personally err on the side of caution, but that's just me. I'm not a doctor or a world leader. Tough spot to be in either way.

fair enough but some will jump on you here if you have any thoughts that don't equal their own so i am trying not to give an opinion on anything because I don't need to be attacked.

part of the article has a good question in my opinion. What happens when neighboring countries lift restrictions does the death/infection rate spike at that point. Are they making a difference or are they delaying what is going to happen sooner in Sweden. Good question no one has the answer too. hopefully the answer is no but no one has that answer yet.

 

[CDJ]

where are you getting the numbers your quoting with 4x few cases and 10x few deaths. This is from the linked article.

The number of cases in Sweden is almost double that in neighboring Denmark (it has 8,108 cases and has reported 370 deaths) and Finland (with just over 4,000 cases and 141 deaths) that imposed strict lockdown measures. Since their populations are each about 5 million — half of Sweden’s — the rates are about the same, although the comparison could be skewed by testing numbers in each country.

the paragraph above the one you quoted (says 15322 confirmed cases) and the paragraph below the one you quoted (1937 deaths)

 

[Alicat]

yes I am trying to find anything encouraging to look at which I guess some people don't like. I am still set to go back May 4th but I am sure things will change depending on how this week turns out.

Hopefully we will start to see more positives come out. Today's Baker press conference seems to be offering quite a bit of positive news with testing and numbers. At some point they need to decide on an extension. Hang in there!

My company just announced that they're not expecting us to return to our offices (we've got a number spread throughout the country) until July 15th, unless conditions change significantly, in which case returning would be on a voluntary basis. Our work is easy to do from home, so it's not like there are drawbacks to being extra careful.

Same boat with us. Our offices are in some of the hardest hit areas and then you have our entire sales team that is spread out. I hate it but I can easily work from home as long as I have to.

At this point, until I can be tested for antibodies then I won't be going anywhere

 

[Smitty93]

I just linked are article I didn't write it, I didn't endorse it, I didn't even give an opinion on it. Its just another piece of information to look at. take what you will from it.

You had asked about data, so I was just responding with what I assumed @CDJ was using. I think the big thing right now is there's just so much we don't know.

This video from MIB was shared earlier, and instead of focusing on the "people are dumb" part, I'd look at "imagine what you'll know tomorrow". (0:25 - 0:50)



I think at this point there's just so much we don't know. We should be sharing as much data as possible. Every single day we learn more and more. When this started, we were fighting an invisible enemy. The more testing, treatment, and research that is done, the better we'll be able to create a plan to safely return to some semblance of normalcy. The key is figuring out what is happening and why it's happening. Whatever the reopening plan is, we've got to figure out how close can we get to normal life without crossing the line into overwhelming our hospitals, which would exponentially increase the number of deaths.

 

[LSCII]

fair enough but some will jump on you here if you have any thoughts that don't equal their own so i am trying not to give an opinion on anything because I don't need to be attacked.

part of the article has a good question in my opinion. What happens when neighboring countries lift restrictions does the death/infection rate spike at that point. Are they making a difference or are they delaying what is going to happen sooner in Sweden. Good question no one has the answer too. hopefully the answer is no but no one has that answer yet.

I get that and I also understand your desire to not engage in those kinds of slanted discussions because they're unproductive. But unless this is a hockey debate and I can mess with you over something irrelevant, I'm not going to do you like that because I like and respect you my friend.

 

[Alicat]

I love my hair salon but I will not be going anywhere near the shop until the experts say it is ok. I can live with what I've got.

 

[Scotto74]

I get that and I also understand your desire to not engage in those kinds of slanted discussions because they're unproductive. But unless this is a hockey debate and I can mess with you over something irrelevant, I'm not going to do you like that because I like and respect you my friend.

oh you and i have had some great irrelevant hockey debates over the years that's for sure. I think 90% of them that I started I took the other side of whatever you said just so I can argue with you because the respect is mutual and its fun.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

The thing that I'm wondering is why it's worked out. The Nordic countries haven't been hit hard, whether they've instituted lockdowns or not. Is it because there's not as much travel from other countries, so the virus isn't getting there in the first place? Does it have to do with population density? Do Swedes naturally social distance?

I think one of the important things is figuring out why certain countries have had success and why others haven't. It's great that Sweden has done well, but can any of it translate to the U.S?

I would say it’s still way too early to tell if it’s worked out. Projections still show around 10,000 deaths in their country when all is said and done which is way, way, way more than projected in the US per capita.

 

[Scotto74]

You had asked about data, so I was just responding with what I assumed @CDJ was using. I think the big thing right now is there's just so much we don't know.

This video from MIB was shared earlier, and instead of focusing on the "people are dumb" part, I'd look at "imagine what you'll know tomorrow". (0:25 - 0:50)



I think at this point there's just so much we don't know. We should be sharing as much data as possible. Every single day we learn more and more. When this started, we were fighting an invisible enemy. The more testing, treatment, and research that is done, the better we'll be able to create a plan to safely return to some semblance of normalcy. The key is figuring out what is happening and why it's happening. Whatever the reopening plan is, we've got to figure out how close can we get to normal life without crossing the line into overwhelming our hospitals, which would exponentially increase the number of deaths.

I am right there with you with the so much we don't know comment which is why I like to look at things from all sides not just what one side wants you to see to help them rev up their base.

I didn't mean anything personal by quoting you I just noticed you and Lonnie respond to me. If others did I didn't see it because all the one sided posters who attack anyone who wont agree with them politically get the ignore treatment until this is over and Hockey is back.

I don't mind people digging in on one side of a hockey argument but when it comes to attacking people that don't agree with you politically, I can't wast my time reading what they have to say because their opinion is based on hate and hate only due to their inability to have an open mind about anything.

 

[LSCII]

oh you and i have had some great irrelevant hockey debates over the years that's for sure. I think 90% of them that I started I took the other side of whatever you said just so I can argue with you because the respect is mutual and its fun.

Can't say I haven't done the same.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

A little musical stress break. This kinda speaks to what is going on now. Tears For Fears - Curt Smith and his Daughter acoustically recorded 'Mad World' April 4th from their quarantine life in LA.

 

[Spooner st]

why did you have to quote my post to post another article that has nothing to do with my post? I thought we were just posting interesting information we are finding related to the virus?

I find it a comparable strategy with 2 different purposes.
Sweden is a real strategy based on their population with a decision made by medical experts.

Brazil is a shit show with a president in denial that doesn't care for the people and where corruption is rampant. The last 2 presidents are currently incarcerated, the same will be for the present one. In March he was saying that Brazilians never catch nothing. Another Trump on steroids.

 

[Scotto74]

Coronavirus chronicles: Here's some good news amid the dire reports

Coronavirus chronicles: Here's some good news amid the dire reports