All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XII - The UFA frenzy aftermath

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Yeah, I see the same thing. I wonder if he would flourish if moved to center? More space and less wall battles where he is getting abused. His play and skill remind me of Aho and I wonder if a transition to center would give him the space to utilize the skill and hide the strength/size problems somewhat.

That's possible.

I just think that he's just turned 21 and in his 2nd NHL season. He's going to get stronger as he matures, but will it be strong enough? I can't say. I can say that good players learn to adjust parts of their game to become more effective.

Skinner was strong on his skates, but played in a way that left him open to huge checks causing concussions. Many thought he was "1 hit away" a number of years ago. He learned and adapted. Aho was alway strong for his size, but he's gotten much stronger the past few years. He's also gotten much faster as well.

We can tend to be short-sighted about young players and make proclamations about what they will or won't be. I'm guilty of it myself (Kotkaniemi is an example). Necas was an example last year by many on this board.

Again, not saying he shouldn't be traded, just saying the team needs to be very careful if they do, and given how the team has operated, I think they will be careful.

 

[Svechhammer]

Depends on the dollar amount.

If the rumors are true and he wants something that starts with a 9. he's worth it

 

[ndp]

Jarvis has been brutal lately. Except for the strip/breakaway B's goal, maybe more invisible than brutal. I wouldn't be surprised if he is the major piece in a Meier package.

If the way Tripper and Mike have been talking about him is any indication, he’s not going anywhere. I swear other than Staal or Staal line they’ve talked about Jarvis more than any other player the past two broadcasts. “He’s doing the little things” “Might not show up on the scoresheet but he’s playing the right way” “Love the way he plays a simple game”

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

If the way Tripper and Mike have been talking about him is any indication, he’s not going anywhere. I swear other than Staal or Staal line they’ve talked about Jarvis more than any other player the past two broadcasts. “He’s doing the little things” “Might not show up on the scoresheet but he’s playing the right way” “Love the way he plays a simple game”

They were gushing over Svechnikov in the same manner the last couple of games and I noticed it more than I did than with Jarvis.

 

[ndp]

I did't say I wouldn't trade him, I said the deal has to be right. As far as Meier, it depends on the deal (extension? no-extension? what terms of the extension? etc...).

Just from past examples, I think it would be fairly safe to say that if Jarvis were part of a trade it would be someone with term, or an extension agreed upon and ready to sign. Jarvis in any deal for a pure rental is no bueno.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Just from past examples, I think it would be fairly safe to say that if Jarvis were part of a trade it would be someone with term, or an extension agreed upon and ready to sign. Jarvis in any deal for a pure rental is no bueno.

Agree, to be precise though, Meier isn't a "true rental" even without an extension in place.

He's an RFA with a $10M qualifying offer. Technicality, but the team could have his services for this year and next even without an extension. Still not something I'd do though.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

If the way Tripper and Mike have been talking about him is any indication, he’s not going anywhere. I swear other than Staal or Staal line they’ve talked about Jarvis more than any other player the past two broadcasts. “He’s doing the little things” “Might not show up on the scoresheet but he’s playing the right way” “Love the way he plays a simple game”

Not that Mike and Tripp have anything to do with it... but could an equally likely explanation not be that they're pumping his tire for a potential trade?

 

[SlavinAway]

Not that Mike and Tripp have anything to do with it... but could an equally likely explanation not be that they're pumping his tire for a potential trade?

I don't think other teams are listening to Mike and Tripp to evaluate trade candidates...

 

[ndp]

Agree, to be precise though, Meier isn't a "true rental" even without an extension in place.

He's an RFA with a $10M qualifying offer. Technicality, but the team could have his services for this year and next even without an extension. Still not something I'd do though.

Yeah I wouldn’t move Jarvis for anything other than a slightly older, proven version of what they think Jarvis will become, who is signed long term. Basically a “hockey trade” where both teams benefit. And like I’ve said multiple times I’m not nearly as high on the kid as a lot of others are.

Jarvis + 1st for Meier at $9.25 or less x 7-8, I think I would have to do that deal. No extension no Jarvis.

Anywho, I think all this Meier talk, while fun, is likely a long shot, and they should be really focusing on filling that 2nd line center position. Unless Rod is ready to give Necas or Jarvis an extended look at center.

I do think Meier would be a game changer though. How many contending teams have two 30 goal legit power forwards in their top six? COL, TB, anyone else?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I don't think other teams are listening to Mike and Tripp to evaluate trade candidates...

Nor do I…

 

[whiskers]

Personally, I'd be very careful with any move involving Seth Jarvis. A year ago, many folks on this board were offering Necas in many proposals because of his down season.

As a rookie with very little PP time, Jarvis put up 17G, 40P in 68 games (21G, 48P pace / 82 games). Yes, he's struggled to score this year but that's not unheard of with young players. We lack offensive skill and Jarvis, while not always showing it this season, has it.

Pretty much everyone is available for the right deal, just need to be very careful with him as I don't think he's anywhere near a finished product.

I was thinking the same thing , so many of you wanted Necas out , shame on you! I would keep jarvis and KK , im telling you Suzuki is the one we should get rid of before his value is worthless

 

[MinJaBen]

Anywho, I think all this Meier talk, while fun, is likely a long shot, and they should be really focusing on filling that 2nd line center position. Unless Rod is ready to give Necas or Jarvis an extended look at center.

Why not both? We can get Meier and upgrade the 2c pretty easy. And by easy I mean a lot of true 3c's out there are better than either of our 2c's right now. So go get yourself a Bonino or whoever on the cheap, let them feast between Svech and Necas, and plop Meier on Aho's wing with TT and start printing Championship banners.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I was thinking the same thing , so many of you wanted Necas out , shame on you! I would keep jarvis and KK , im telling you Suzuki is the one we should get rid of before his value is worthless

So many of "us" didn't want Necas out. Shame on you for making a generalization!

 

[Svechhammer]

Look, I like Jarvis, but if he's the cost to get Meier, well.... Good luck in San Jose, Seth.

 

[MinJaBen]

Look, I like Jarvis, but if he's the cost to get Meier, well.... Good luck in San Jose, Seth.

Yeah, and he's 26, same age as Aho and only a year older than Tkachuk who we were ready to throw a bunch of assets and cash at. I see no reason we are not willing to go get this guy, especially if his agent is saying things like his contract should start with a nine. Yeah, I do that pretty easy.

 

[whiskers]

So many of "us" didn't want Necas out. Shame on you for making a generalization!

geez i figure the shame was on the ones who did , im not gonna name names lol

 

[Ole Gil]

One interesting thing with these kids and their contracts, is the opportunity to get that RFA deal before they make the big leap.

Necas at 3mx2 is crazy value.

I wonder if that factors in at all when burning an ELC year early. Because you almost want to get to the RFA contract before they fully develop.

 

[MinJaBen]

geez i figure the shame was on the ones who did , im not gonna name names lolView attachment 644708

I'll admit I was willing to trade Necas for some other players. For example, I was ready to move him for Tkachuk when that was going down. I didn't want to "get rid of him", but given his play, was willing to move him for a guy who is/was better now. Still would. But obviously, the player he'd be moved for now has to be even that much better, so very unlikely that player would be made available.

For example, how many here would turn down an offer for a Matthews/Necas swap? It's not an easy decision, but there would be people who would take that swap.

 

[Lempo]

Agree, to be precise though, Meier isn't a "true rental" even without an extension in place.

He's an RFA with a $10M qualifying offer. Technicality, but the team could have his services for this year and next even without an extension. Still not something I'd do though.

A technicality to ponder: QO'ing Meier and subsequently signing him for a 1 year SPC will mean that he can't then be extended before Jan 1, 2024. The pending UFAdom in summer '24 will be looming and luring there.

 

[whiskers]

Isnt Meier kinda expensive at 9/10 mil ? Depending on how much it would cost to get him , i rather not get him and wait next UFA to offer Pastrnak 12 mil or just keep the cash to pay resign Aho , Jarvis, Necas and ur top 3 defensemen

 

[Borsig]

The problem is at Center.

The problem is we have Aho Staal kk and Stastny. We need to sit Stastny and have a real 2c.

 

[Svechhammer]

Isnt Meier kinda expensive at 9/10 mil ? Depending on how much it would cost to get him , i rather not get him and wait next UFA to offer Pastrnak 12 mil or just keep the cash to pay resign Aho , Jarvis, Necas and ur top 3 defensemen

Meier with 2 setup guys like Aho and Teravainen on his line could collect goals like Tage Thompson. If we can get him in the fold here and pair him on our top line for years going forward, his contract will look cheap in a very short time.

 

[MadeUpName]

Meier with 2 setup guys like Aho and Teravainen on his line could collect goals like Tage Thompson. If we can get him in the fold here and pair him on our top line for years going forward, his contract will look cheap in a very short time.

I think there is an argument that toughness on the top line is a bigger need than a 2C. Hence the runs at Marchment and Tkachuk. Meier fits that role like a glove.

 

[MinJaBen]

Isnt Meier kinda expensive at 9/10 mil ? Depending on how much it would cost to get him , i rather not get him and wait next UFA to offer Pastrnak 12 mil or just keep the cash to pay resign Aho , Jarvis, Necas and ur top 3 defensemen

Meier is great. And available. Pasta is a great goal scorer, but is he available? What if we pass up a great player whose style fits our team, then Pasta re-signs? I'd rather not pass up a great player who is a good fit because you MAYBE get someone later.

And I would much rather have Meier at $9M-ish then Pasta at $12M.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Rumor mill re: Larkin:

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