All Purpose Trade / Roster Building Thread VI - We have goalies, but can they stay healthy?

[mikeyfan]

O the remaining Free Agents who would you like for the Canes to enter into a PTO contract with?

For me I’d be happy to see
1. Zack Parise
2. James Neal
3. Kyle Palmieri

not necessarily in that order. I do understand that between now and the opening of training camp they all could sign a contract with another team

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

O the remaining Free Agents who would you like for the Canes to enter into a PTO contract with?

For me I’d be happy to see
1. Zack Parise
2. James Neal
3. Kyle Palmieri

not necessarily in that order. I do understand that between now and the opening of training camp they all could sign a contract with another team

I think the Islanders are trying to see where Beauvillier and Sorokin fall in to know if they can afford Palmeiri or not.

I wouldn’t mind him but not for the years he’ll want in a deal

 

[Unsustainable]

I wouldn’t want any of them on a longer deal than Turbo has left.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Would Necas sign a contract similar to the one Teuvo signed a few years ago? Wouldn't buy out many UFA years but lower AAV would help the Canes big time in the immediate future. He could still cash in big time after that contract.

 

[spockBokk]

Necas is going to want to get paidddd.

They did him a little dirty, earnings-wise at least, by letting his ELC slide another year while he was in the AHL in 18-19. If he puts up 60pts + next season, he’s looking at Svechnikov as a comparable for sure.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Necas is going to want to get paidddd.

They did him a little dirty, earnings-wise at least, by letting his ELC slide another year while he was in the AHL in 18-19. If he puts up 60pts + next season, he’s looking at Svechnikov as a comparable for sure.

They'll be just fine with Necas, I think. Remember, Nino and Trocheck are both expiring. They'll have plenty of space to go the full eight with him, especially if Suzuki and/or Jarvis are deemed NHL-ready. I'm a big fan of getting 8 year terms with your young core if you have the cap for it.

 

[spockBokk]

More than just sniffing…that should be a new tag line somewhere:

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

More than just sniffing…that should be a new tag line somewhere:

that should be Kuzy's coke joke

 

[bleedgreen]

Sounds like we’re getting something more if the price is right. Presumably Jake going the other way.

 

[spockBokk]

The “latest”, which is basically just more of the same on Tarasenko:

What's the latest on the Blues and Vladimir Tarasenko? Who's interested? Hurricanes? Rangers? Islanders? Sabres? Mailbag

Points pertinent to CAR:

-They’re mentioned as “keeping tabs” on the situation

-The Blues do not want to retain any salary. Until they accept that they’ll have to retain in order to trade him, there won’t be a deal.

-Speculative return will be based on amount retained (or perhaps bad contract going back), in the form of a “decent pick” or prospect.

-The author thinks it’s guaranteed that Tarasenko is traded, most likely prior to the start of training camp.

Personally, I’ll say again I hope the Canes look elsewhere. If it’s true that Armstrong is unwilling to retain salary (and I assume that taking back Gardiner would be a no-go as well), then there’s not really much to discuss.

 

[Derailed75]

The “latest”, which is basically just more of the same on Tarasenko:

What's the latest on the Blues and Vladimir Tarasenko? Who's interested? Hurricanes? Rangers? Islanders? Sabres? Mailbag

Points pertinent to CAR:

-They’re mentioned as “keeping tabs” on the situation

-The Blues do not want to retain any salary. Until they accept that they’ll have to retain in order to trade him, there won’t be a deal.

-Speculative return will be based on amount retained (or perhaps bad contract going back), in the form of a “decent pick” or prospect.

-The author thinks it’s guaranteed that Tarasenko is traded, most likely prior to the start of training camp.

Personally, I’ll say again I hope the Canes look elsewhere. If it’s true that Armstrong is unwilling to retain salary (and I assume that taking back Gardiner would be a no-go as well), then there’s not really much to discuss.

I agree with the salary/Gardner thing but will say this. In a vacuum, I would love to add another winger that has his talent potential when he is healthy

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I think the thing with Tarasenko, or any trade for a forward of his caliber, ultimately is about the team that's trading him more than the team that wants him. If Armstrong believes that he can rebound, why would you trade him right now at the absolute nadir of his value around the league?

 

[AD Skinner]

We definitely need another scoring winger, but if St Louis doesn't retain or take Gardiner then there's no deal to be made there. I still think Kessel is a better target anyway

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

We definitely need another scoring winger, but if St Louis doesn't retain or take Gardiner then there's no deal to be made there. I still think Kessel is a better target anyway

I don't know if I would get Kessel, personally. Kessel and Brind'Amour seems like a very odd couple, at least to me. The Hot Dog Man can still score pretty well, though, especially considering the lack of resources in Arizona. So maybe.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I think the thing with Tarasenko, or any trade for a forward of his caliber, ultimately is about the team that's trading him more than the team that wants him. If Armstrong believes that he can rebound, why would you trade him right now at the absolute nadir of his value around the league?

It's not like keeping him doesn't have risks. Another injury, worse play, or if he hates them and the situation enough, maybe he dogs it like Dubois. Getting stuck with him in those situations could easily be worse than trading him at low value. They already did a good job of replacing him with some of the guys they acquired. Just move on.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Blues want to trade him before the season starts?

Blues want to retain no salary?

Blues want a top prospect?

 

[AD Skinner]

I don't know if I would get Kessel, personally. Kessel and Brind'Amour seems like a very odd couple, at least to me.

Heck that's part of the appeal

 

[DaveG]

Blues want to trade him before the season starts?

Blues want to retain no salary?

Blues want a top prospect?

Top prospect and no salary retention? Here's Jake Gardner and Jack LaFontaine.

What?

Jack was the best goalie in college hockey last year, how's that not a top prospect?

... Hel.. I think he hung up on me

 

[Derailed75]

It's not like keeping him doesn't have risks. Another injury, worse play, or if he hates them and the situation enough, maybe he dogs it like Dubois. Getting stuck with him in those situations could easily be worse than trading him at low value. They already did a good job of replacing him with some of the guys they acquired. Just move on.

Am I wrong in remembering that VT has publicly said he wants out? So its not so much the GM wants to trade him its that once a guy makes that statement keeping him gets to be really tricky

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Personally, I'd make a trade centered around, say, Jamieson Rees and Jesper Sellgren, to get Tarasenko. We have an embarrassment of riches at forward, and St. Louis could use ELC guys that they can plug into their bottom-6 and bottom-pair as guys like Parayko get paid.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Am I wrong in remembering that VT has publicly said he wants out? So its not so much the GM wants to trade him its that once a guy makes that statement keeping him gets to be really tricky

He did. That doesn't negate anything I said. I'm not saying the GM wants to move him, but holding onto a guy that's very disgruntled and has injury risks may not be wise either. His value is low, but the value and situation can easily get worse unlike what TRPF said.

 

[Chrispy]

Personally, I'd make a trade centered around, say, Jamieson Rees and Jesper Sellgren, to get Tarasenko. We have an embarrassment of riches at forward, and St. Louis could use ELC guys that they can plug into their bottom-6 and bottom-pair as guys like Parayko get paid.

And how much more are you paying a team to take Gardiner?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

And how much more are you paying a team to take Gardiner?

If the back surgery rumor is true, I'd just LTIR him. Take the full cap hit (or at least the vast bulk of it) for Vlad. No need to dump salary if you don't have to.

 

[spockBokk]

I want no part of any trade that involves Rees for Tarasenko.

The only leverage the Blues have to improve a return is retaining or taking back cap. In no way do I see them using that leverage to get a prospect like Rees unless Tarasenko proves himself healthy by coming out early on and on fire.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I want no part of any trade that involves Rees for Tarasenko.

We have like 30-40 legitimate prospects. If trading Rees can help make our club better right now, you can't be afraid to pull a trigger.