All Purpose Trade / Roster Building Thread III - the thread where everyone signs somewhere else

[MinJaBen]

I’d imagine Buffalo would prefer Necas because he can play in the middle.

They might, true. They might also see Necas as a winger long term like I do and prefer the power winger to the playmaker winger.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Lol. you’re making stuff up re: RBA. I see very little “chicken little”. There are people posting latest news/tweets, or saying it would be dumb to let him go, but the vast majority of the board feels a deal will get done.

re Dougie. It’s reasonable to think that if he wants too much, the Canes will balk.
That’s not “chicken little”, it’s recognizing the reality of the situation.

Both are true. I still think that both will get done. The vast bulk of our near-NHL ready prospect pool are in the forward department, so it makes sense to run an expensive defense as the young forwards slowly migrate in.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Both are true. I still think that both will get done. The vast bulk of our near-NHL ready prospect pool are in the forward department, so it makes sense to run an expensive defense as the young forwards slowly migrate in.

So if both are true, then the “chicken little” comment was nonsense.

 

[The Jerk Store]

I don’t think so.
1. Why would NJ take 9.275 million of defenders
2. Why would we trade Skjei to NJ just to take Gardiner when Seattle has to take someone else and Skjei has value
3. Either use Foegele for Seattle to take Gardiner and then trade Skjei for some return or just let Seattle take Skjei.

the plan should be to expose expensive players (if we are keeping Dougie or acquiring a big ticket player)

Protect Foegele and Lorentz, expose Nino and Fast. Protect Bean, expose Skjei. Maybe trade Geekie pre-expansion if someone has a spot open and we are trying to pigeon hole them into taking salary.

The assumption is that Skjei is exposed and Seattle takes him, in which case there is no return on investment. NJ has the cap space and would likely buy out Gardiner, who has negative value. We get a conditional pick of some kind in return, but the main benefit is cleared cap space. Yes, Seattle picks someone else, Fast perhaps, but he is more easily replaced by someone in the system.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

So if both are true, then the “chicken little” comment was nonsense.

My Brind'Amour statement has some merit. Some are clearly buying the drama surrounding those talks.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

The assumption is that Skjei is exposed and Seattle takes him, in which case there is no return on investment. NJ has the cap space and would likely buy out Gardiner, who has negative value. We get a conditional pick of some kind in return, but the main benefit is cleared cap space. Yes, Seattle picks someone else, Fast perhaps, but he is more easily replaced by someone in the system.

I expect either LTIRetirement (if it truly is the back) or a bad contract swap. This is not a club that likes dealing picks to make contracts go away unless they're the recipients. They may have to do it one day, but IMO that's only something that you do if you are forced into it, similar to Tampa's or the Islanders' predicament RN.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Not if it is Svech that they decide they can move instead. He needs a contract while Nachos buys them another ELC year (and doesn’t need to be protected if a trade happens prior to the ED).

Given how the FO rolls, nothing would surprise me. But holy PR nightmare. The pain of either would sting like the dickens for the fans but Svech would feel like a betrayal even with his off year.

Millionaire money or not...it's too terrible a fate to contemplate for either fella..being sent off to such a crappy destination especially for sad pants.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

My Brind'Amour statement has some merit. Some are clearly buying the drama surrounding those talks.

It’s a small percentage, yet you attributed it to the “board”. It’s nonsense. You make ridiculous takes, as we all do, yet it’s not attributed to the full board. Get over it,

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

It’s a small percentage, yet you attributed it to the “board”. It’s nonsense. You make ridiculous takes, as we all do, yet it’s not attributed to the full board. Get over it,

"Broad strokes get the fence painted faster" is a truism in comedy for a reason.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I am almost always glad we don't run the team (very much including me).

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

"Broad strokes get the fence painted faster" is a truism in comedy for a reason.

Meh. More likely you are spewing a narrative that doesn’t exist and don’t want to admit it. We understand.

 

[bleedgreen]

Eichel makes sense. Our owner wants to win. Eichel would be our best center. Having Aho as a second center is pretty dirty. Could we find enough good players to put around them? No idea and I kind of doubt it, but if you’re looking to take us to the next level that’s the move you make. We aren’t afraid to trade top young players/pics/prospects. We’re the opposite of what we were before....meaning we used to be patient. They gave Rod another year after he backed last years team, and it was a flat cap anyways. I’m not even voting to get Eichel, just saying I think we’re a team that would go for it. We make more sense than most.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I am almost always glad we don't run the team (very much including me).

The Svech+ or Necas+ for Eichel talks are making me a little uncomfortable. I get it, but I can't picture this team without either one of those pieces yet.

 

[spockBokk]

The Svech+ or Necas+ for Eichel talks are making me a little uncomfortable. I get it, but I can't picture this team without either one of those pieces yet.

Didn’t they build some sort of 20ft mural of Svechnikov in the new practice facility?

I think a snowball would have a better chance of melting in Hades before they traded Svechnikov while he still has rfa years left.

That said, I somewhat feel the same way about Necas. I don’t think they would trade him, but for Eichel, who knows. I tend to think if they truly do get in the Eichel sweepstakes, Jarvis would be a main piece along with another of the high end prospects/players like Bean or Suzuki, with this year’s 1st and a roster player like Niederreiter or Gardiner going back as a cap dump. Or maybe Trocheck would be the roster player going back and you give them a lesser prospect in addition to Jarvis.

I’d rather they not go after Eichel, but it certainly does seem like a Dundon power move.

 

[MinJaBen]

I think a snowball would have a better chance of melting in Hades before they traded Svechnikov while he still has rfa years left.

Maybe I’m missing something, but isn’t that a great chance of happening due to the comparison?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Eichel will be a Ranger, because every good player falls into their lap.

 

[mikeyfan]

Necas plays with speed and PK Svech doesn’t, I’m not convinced Svech won’t turn out to disappointment rather than the player we hope him to be

 

[dogbazinho]

No to Eichel.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Eichel will be a Ranger, because every good player falls into their lap.

I'm not sure Eichel would ever consider Carolina, but my concern would be what we would need to give up to get him especially considering we haven't seen 19 year old Jarvis yet. Granted he's not a proven 24 year old 6'2 215 lb C like Eichel but at his age he has plenty of room for adding size and strength, and doesn't require egress of assets and money. That being said our owner is ready to win so who knows how this could play out.

 

[NotOpie]

Svech is likely going to get bridged for 3 years, Skjei is likely going to Seattle, and Hakanpaa will get a small extension.

Svech will either get a 1 or 2 year bridge or he'll be signed long term. There is absolutely no way they'll have Svech, Aho, Pesce, Teravainen, and potentially Skjei to negotiate new contracts with in the same year. That is just plain madness (it's already a potentially bad situation).

I do think there will be a good bit of roster turnover, due to the cap and due to needing to replace Hamilton.

There's going to be a good bit of roster turnover league-wide and UFAs are mostly going to be disappointed in their offers. My take is that there will be a lot of 1 or 2 year deals.

This is not a club that likes dealing picks to make contracts go away unless they're the recipients.

And this is not an owner who likes paying players not to play. Buyouts and LITR are both long shots or last resort options to this front office.

I’m not even voting to get Eichel, just saying I think we’re a team that would go for it.

I'd be immensely surprised if we end up with Jack Eichel. I could see us being a lever helping to rape and pillage assets from the eventual winner (driving up the price). But I don't see how you trade either of Svech or Necas given their ELC/RFA status. Also, without some sort of assurances about his health, it is just too big of a risk to take.

That said, the deal would have to move some salary out and I wonder if something like:

2021 1st
Jarvis
Trocheck
2023 1st

....would get the deal done.

 

[spockBokk]

Looks like they found the next Joakim Ryan:

 

[chaz4hockey]

Eichel will be a Ranger, because every good player falls into their lap.

Of course it really hasn’t helped much since the 1940’s…..

 

[AD Skinner]

 

[ClarkBolzano]

I don’t know. He’s obviously a very good player. But so is Necas.

Sorry you cant compar Svech to Necas. A completely different level

 

[GoldiFox]

I'm going to take a wild guess that Svechnikov has told his agent to get a long-term deal done and signs soon for $7.5 million x 7-8 years. He's 21, he's never missed the Playoffs, the team is improving but still has an extra step to take, it is a flat cap for the indefinite future, there is a mutual long-term interest, and the Canes have shown they wanted max term for Aho in the past while also driving a hard bargain.