All Purpose Trade / Roster Building Thread III - the thread where everyone signs somewhere else

[DaveG]

Last one was over 1000 so opening up the new thread

Obviously we have the Dougie situation looming and the expansion draft, but also interesting will be seeing what the Borg does with Gardner and who if any of our other UFAs return. Backup / tandem goalie will also be interesting to watch since it looks like Ned will be the guy next season for better or worse.

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[hblueridgegal]

Joakim Ryan Signs With SHL’s Malmo Redhawks

Well, the postseason came and went for the ’Canes and Ryan stayed firmly planted in the press box through two series. It was apparently enough to convince him that perhaps a break from the NHL was in order. Ryan’s camp returned to negotiations with Malmo and the result was today’s announcement that the blue liner has signed a one-year deal with the Redhawks.

 

[Lempo]

Joakim Ryan Signs With SHL’s Malmo Redhawks

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I'm pretty sure that there are going to be a couple of things baked in. Svech is likely going to get bridged for 3 years, Skjei is likely going to Seattle, and Hakanpaa will get a small extension. The rest are question marks. My guess is that Gardiner is either kept or dealt in a contract swap (If the problem's the back, this might be an LTIRetirement) and that Dougie will be extended. If all of that happens, I wouldn't be shocked if there's a deal for a LHD somewhere, either Oleksiak via UFA or Marcus Pettersson via trade. If Dougie actually leaves in UFA, it wouldn't shock me to see Barrie come in and slot next to Slavin. Beyond that, I don't see a lot of changes unless Tampa is somehow beaten by the Isles or by Vegas.

 

[Lempo]

Svech is likely going to get bridged for 3 years

Problematic. He would be arbitration eligible, and because he will qualify for UFA after seven seasons (and at that point he would have six seasons accrued), his arbitrated contract would by the CBA be for one season only and bridge him right into UFA.

The very least, there would be pressure for Canes to have him extended on year six before he can opt for arbitration.

 

[DaveG]

I'm pretty sure that there are going to be a couple of things baked in. Svech is likely going to get bridged for 3 years, Skjei is likely going to Seattle, and Hakanpaa will get a small extension. The rest are question marks. My guess is that Gardiner is either kept or dealt in a contract swap (If the problem's the back, this might be an LTIRetirement) and that Dougie will be extended. If all of that happens, I wouldn't be shocked if there's a deal for a LHD somewhere, either Oleksiak via UFA or Marcus Pettersson via trade. If Dougie actually leaves in UFA, it wouldn't shock me to see Barrie come in and slot next to Slavin. Beyond that, I don't see a lot of changes unless Tampa is somehow beaten by the Isles or by Vegas.

As Lempo pointed out, the ideal bridge deal would be a 2 year here.

 

[bleedgreen]

I'm pretty sure that there are going to be a couple of things baked in. Svech is likely going to get bridged for 3 years, Skjei is likely going to Seattle, and Hakanpaa will get a small extension. The rest are question marks. My guess is that Gardiner is either kept or dealt in a contract swap (If the problem's the back, this might be an LTIRetirement) and that Dougie will be extended. If all of that happens, I wouldn't be shocked if there's a deal for a LHD somewhere, either Oleksiak via UFA or Marcus Pettersson via trade. If Dougie actually leaves in UFA, it wouldn't shock me to see Barrie come in and slot next to Slavin. Beyond that, I don't see a lot of changes unless Tampa is somehow beaten by the Isles or by Vegas.

Barrie on the first pair?

 

[The Faulker 27]

I'm excited to see if Seth Jarvis makes the jump next season. He came into the AHL like a hurricane. 11 pts in 9 games (7G). Is he our best prospect since maybe Necas? I don't really keep up with this stuff like I should.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Barrie on the first pair?

Yes, Barrie on the 1st pair. At the very least, our PP will still look great. Slavin will need even more diligence at 5-on-5, though. My expectation, though, is that Dougie will be re-signed.

 

[bleedgreen]

Yes, Barrie on the 1st pair. At the very least, our PP will still look great. Slavin will need even more diligence at 5-on-5, though. My expectation, though, is that Dougie will be re-signed.

It's possible the pp would be good with Barrie but the best part of Dougie is his shot, since the rest of the guys tend to be playmakers. Barrie is more of another playmaker.

Slavin's workload has been enough as is imo. I hope we can do better than Barrie, who was struggling to find a good job this past off season.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Shouldn't RBA and DW's end of year pressers happen next week? Perhaps some clarity re: direction and wish lists will be disclosed. Although with DW, it's more bullsh*t hockey bingo due to the secretive nature of his role, occasionally a hidden gem or direction is revealed.

I wonder if or how the new Chief Strategy Officer will contribute to the cause?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

It's possible the pp would be good with Barrie but the best part of Dougie is his shot, since the rest of the guys tend to be playmakers. Barrie is more of another playmaker.

Slavin's workload has been enough as is imo. I hope we can do better than Barrie, who was struggling to find a good job this past off season.

Again, my expectation is that Dougie and Rod are both extended long-term after a brief freak-out by our Chicken Little board. I'm just saying that the sky wouldn't fall if Dougie left in free agency, either. The advantage of a Barrie signing is that he would cost no draft assets unless you dealt for his rights ahead of time.

 

[bleedgreen]

Again, my expectation is that Dougie and Rod are both extended long-term after a brief freak-out by our Chicken Little board. I'm just saying that the sky wouldn't fall if Dougie left in free agency, either. The advantage of a Barrie signing is that he would cost no draft assets unless you dealt for his rights ahead of time.

I dont think it will fall either, but will be pricey in different ways to fix. I'd like to believe you that Dougie will sign but the signs have been pointing in other directions there.

 

[spockBokk]

I do think there will be a good bit of roster turnover, due to the cap and due to needing to replace Hamilton.

The bottom 6 will likely be overhauled, with maybe just 1 of Foegele, McGinn, Martinook or Paquette retained. I’d pick McGinn out of that group, include Foegele in a trade and let Martinook/Paquette walk. Lorentz is likely the 4C next year and I think 1 or 2 of Jarvis, Cotton, Bokk, Drury or Suzuki round out the bottom 6 with Staal and Fast.

Skjei or Bean is likely gone to Seattle, and I see them buying out Gardiner. Hakanpaa probably stays and I think they let Sellgren/Keane stick around as the 7D. I see potentially 2 new D next year. They’ll need a Skjei or Hamilton replacement at the very least.

I do think they make a move for more scoring, likely a trade. I keep thinking of BUF here with Reinhart and Ristolainen as potential package targets.

If they bring in a guy like Barrie, which I could see. I think they’ll also bring in another top 4-ish D, to play with Hakanpaa, so they can balance out some of Slavin-Barrie at even strength.

 

[spockBokk]

I'm excited to see if Seth Jarvis makes the jump next season. He came into the AHL like a hurricane. 11 pts in 9 games (7G). Is he our best prospect since maybe Necas? I don't really keep up with this stuff like I should.

Supposedly he has a very strong 2-way game, so if he comes in physically ready for the NHL next season, he has a shot. There will be some spots left open for some youn guys next year I’d think.

Personally, I would like to see him get 1 more year in juniors, but that’s mainly about sliding his ELC just 1 more year. I also think he could use 1 more year down there, getting stronger. If his contract started its clock next year, he’d need a new deal at the same time as Aho , Teravainen, Pesce and Skjei (if he’s still around). However, if he’s ready, he’s ready and worry about contracts later.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Lighting candles for Sugar Boo...



Per SiriusNHL talks last week, LA is bowing out...

 

[spockBokk]

On Eichel, I actually could, kinda maybe see it…

They were rumored to be in on Stamkos or Laine last year at the draft, so if Eichel is out there…maybe. However, that $10M cap hit, the season he just had and the injury are scary, especially considering what it would cost to get him.

BUF could be a one stop shop this off-season for the Canes. I’d imagine they’d want to work in one of BUF’s RD in the deal if Hamilton is truly gone. And if they get serious about Eicher, let’s get real, Hamilton very likely is gone.

What does such a deal look like?

Bean + Necas/Jarvis + Gardiner + Foegele + 1st

For

Eichel + Ristolainen + 3rd or the like?

I’d be very hesitant to deal Necas while he still has a year left on his ELC, and I’d much rather they target Reinhart over Eichel.

 

[Brock Anton]

On Eichel, I actually could, kinda maybe see it…

They were rumored to be in on Stamkos or Laine last year at the draft, so if Eichel is out there…maybe. However, that $10M cap hit, the season he just had and the injury are scary, especially considering what it would cost to get him.

BUF could be a one stop shop this off-season for the Canes. I’d imagine they’d want to work in one of BUF’s RD in the deal if Hamilton is truly gone. And if they get serious about Eicher, let’s get real, Hamilton very likely is gone.

What does such a deal look like?

Bean + Necas/Jarvis + Gardiner + Foegele + 1st

For

Eichel + Ristolainen + 3rd or the like?

I’d be very hesitant to deal Necas while he still has a year left on his ELC, and I’d much rather they target Reinhart over Eichel.

Necas is gone for sure in any potential deal for Eichel. He and a 1st are certain to be involved, the question is what other prospects/players are included.

 

[The Jerk Store]

If the Borg are to decide the Skjei is to be unprotected (and likely picked by Seattle) I don't see them just letting him go. I would imagine Skjei would be traded to a team that is in need of such a defenseman and has the cap space to take a bad contract.

To NJ:
Skjei
Gardiner

To Car:
Conditional pick

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Again, my expectation is that Dougie and Rod are both extended long-term after a brief freak-out by our Chicken Little board. I'm just saying that the sky wouldn't fall if Dougie left in free agency, either. The advantage of a Barrie signing is that he would cost no draft assets unless you dealt for his rights ahead of time.

Lol. you’re making stuff up re: RBA. I see very little “chicken little”. There are people posting latest news/tweets, or saying it would be dumb to let him go, but the vast majority of the board feels a deal will get done.

re Dougie. It’s reasonable to think that if he wants too much, the Canes will balk.
That’s not “chicken little”, it’s recognizing the reality of the situation.

 

[MinJaBen]

Necas is gone for sure in any potential deal for Eichel. He and a 1st are certain to be involved, the question is what other prospects/players are included.

Not if it is Svech that they decide they can move instead. He needs a contract while Nachos buys them another ELC year (and doesn’t need to be protected if a trade happens prior to the ED).

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If the Borg are to decide the Skjei is to be unprotected (and likely picked by Seattle) I don't see them just letting him go. I would imagine Skjei would be traded to a team that is in need of such a defenseman and has the cap space to take a bad contract.

To NJ:
Skjei
Gardiner

To Car:
Conditional pick

I don’t think so.
1. Why would NJ take 9.275 million of defenders
2. Why would we trade Skjei to NJ just to take Gardiner when Seattle has to take someone else and Skjei has value
3. Either use Foegele for Seattle to take Gardiner and then trade Skjei for some return or just let Seattle take Skjei.

the plan should be to expose expensive players (if we are keeping Dougie or acquiring a big ticket player)

Protect Foegele and Lorentz, expose Nino and Fast. Protect Bean, expose Skjei. Maybe trade Geekie pre-expansion if someone has a spot open and we are trying to pigeon hole them into taking salary.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Not if it is Svech that they decide they can move instead. He needs a contract while Nachos buys them another ELC year (and doesn’t need to be protected if a trade happens prior to the ED).

Moving Svech would be a terrible idea

 

[MinJaBen]

Moving Svech would be a terrible idea

I don’t know. He’s obviously a very good player. But so is Necas.

 

[Brock Anton]

Not if it is Svech that they decide they can move instead. He needs a contract while Nachos buys them another ELC year (and doesn’t need to be protected if a trade happens prior to the ED).

I’d imagine Buffalo would prefer Necas because he can play in the middle.