All-Purpose "Days of Our Meruelo" Talk
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Mosby
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Steve Peters joined the Clean Hits Hockey Podcast and chatted a little bit about the future of NHL hockey in Arizona (around the 45-minute mark in the above clip). He's optimistic that the NHL will return to Arizona by 2030.
AZDesertKnight
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Things that are required to make this team work here:
1) Expansion, not relocation.. it has to be AZ's team
2) Location (Central/East)
3) Ownership
No particular order btw. But seeing the VGK close up, that is a community loved and supported team in a non-traditional market. I can't believe how horribly this market was abused in AZ compared to what i've seen from Vegas. Even BY Vegas in our own market.
The Coyotes 1.0 were an absolute disgrace top to bottom (Shane Doan not included)
1) Expansion, not relocation.. it has to be AZ's team
2) Location (Central/East)
3) Ownership
No particular order btw. But seeing the VGK close up, that is a community loved and supported team in a non-traditional market. I can't believe how horribly this market was abused in AZ compared to what i've seen from Vegas. Even BY Vegas in our own market.
The Coyotes 1.0 were an absolute disgrace top to bottom (Shane Doan not included)
Bondurant
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Ownership is key. VGK had good ownership out of the gate. They were ready to hit the ground running and started on better footing than the Coyotes ever had. I am not convinced expansion vs relocation has a genuine impact for Phoenix metro. Hockey fans want hockey and the team will be new to neutral prospective fans. Just my two cents.
Hoping the '30 timeline is real. Annoying that Vegas is the closest NHL action now. Too damn expensive to go to Vegas.
TheLegend
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Counterpoints:
- Vegas was the first major pro sports team to hit town. It would be similar to when the Phoenix Suns were formed. You won't have that luxury here now.
- Vegas has a corporate support base unrivaled to most cities including Phoenix.
- The NHL literally handed them a build formula that would ensure they were competitive from the first puck drop. You won't ever see that again (ex. Seattle).
That said..... both of you are making very valid points.
Bondurant
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Any yet everyone said they would be the terrible. I loved reading the disgruntled forum commentary (especially from Laughs Nation) shift as their maiden season progressed: "This will be the worst team of all time" to "They won't keep winning" to "They won't make the playoffs" to "Expansion process was rigged so they would have a good team".
You are right about Vegas. A long starving market with money. Lots and lots of backing.
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Ishbia is no different from the other owner bros out there who don't understand what culture does for a team...
TheLegend
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I'm looking at this as..... first time owner who wanted to make a splash, and for a while it worked. But overlooked many of the important details.... (like culture as you mentioned.)
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AZDesertKnight
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A whole lot of nothing out of that interview/show.
I'm actually much less confident we get a team back in AZ within the next 10 years. I'm kind of fine with it, fun year being a VGK fan, amazing memories taking my son to his first NHL game in Vegas but just in general, sports has taken a backseat in my life due to the business side. It's just not fun, all around.
I'm actually much less confident we get a team back in AZ within the next 10 years. I'm kind of fine with it, fun year being a VGK fan, amazing memories taking my son to his first NHL game in Vegas but just in general, sports has taken a backseat in my life due to the business side. It's just not fun, all around.
Curious to know just how much money the guy actually got to walk away from the team. Hard to get a solid number as some say XXX amount is in a bank till the team is brought back
TheLegend
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He didn't get a billion like some people think.
Given he assumed the estimated $300-360 million in outstanding debt buying the team, and the $30-35 million each of the 5 years he owned them. Another $7 million trying to get TED passed. Doesn't leave all that much.
Now with all that in mind... had he been able to reactivate the franchise, that billion would have to go straight back to the NHL up front.
So when you do the math it's pretty easy to see why he didn't pursue that land purchase as hard as he should have. Given he announced plans to build another arena in Reno at while all that was going on.
AZDesertKnight
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TheLegend
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Awaiting final approval from the city council on the TIF. They need to break ground by next month if they want to be ready for UNR by 2027-28.
I hope it fails miserably but if it doesn't there is some humor there having the Stormin Mormon AHL club be in sin city light.
Sure he'd trade a young core for Sidney Crosby but at least we'd have a team, the owner can play fantasy hockey all they want as long as the team is here for the long haul!
TheLegend
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Doesn't look like it'll fail. AFAIK there's no "Reno1st" NIMBY group rising up against it.
But..... we've been there before.
AZDesertKnight
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TheLegend
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He wouldn’t have gotten this far unless he had the financing in place. You understand this is going on property he already owns outright, yes?
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Been watching some playoff hockey these last few weeks. Went back to following the Sabres this year - that team's still a trainwreck, but maybe some things change this summer, who knows. I think I'm bandwagoning for Edmonton in these playoffs, kind of want to see McDavid get his Cup. Missing our Yotes and still dreaming about one day seeing a team back. But for now... Peace be the journey. Hope life is treating you guys all well with love, health and prosperity.
AZDesertKnight
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I appreciate the update. It's weird but I can honestly say I miss forum 40 as much as I do the Coyotes. Crazy how big of a part it was in my life. I'm glad it's still open, I don't know how long it's going to take for me to truly let go of it. Probably hold out hope forever that it gets re-activated because Phoenix has a team again.Just dipping in to say hi to our board. Miss y'all. Some life updates, things are good here. Work has been super busy. I'm pursuing some company certifications for data and shit, it's pretty cool. I've found I've got a real knack for it, and at this point, I'm one of the elder statesmen at the company, so I'm starting to mentor a lot too. Been getting back in shape and trying to lose some weight. Wife is good, still working at the library. We're getting closer and closer to getting a house. Thinking maybe another year, so that's exciting. Otherwise, just enjoying the outdoors when we can, spending time with her folks as they get older, try to help them around the house when we can. Ready for summer and days and nights in the pool.
Been watching some playoff hockey these last few weeks. Went back to following the Sabres this year - that team's still a trainwreck, but maybe some things change this summer, who knows. I think I'm bandwagoning for Edmonton in these playoffs, kind of want to see McDavid get his Cup. Missing our Yotes and still dreaming about one day seeing a team back. But for now... Peace be the journey. Hope life is treating you guys all well with love, health and prosperity.
Still trying to talk myself into being like some of the OG Jet fans who followed the team to Phoenix but man it's tough. I both admire and loathe those who moved on without a second thought. I guess we'll see how it goes over the summer, maybe by next season I'll be ready. At least they have a proper team name now, it's not my favorite but it's so much better than "HC".
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