Confirmed with Link: All-Purpose Coyotes Arena Talk: [Update] Land Auction Cancelled, Meruelo waiving ownership rights.

[Bondurant]

The NHL is at a bit of a crossroads at this time. The league looks at the topography and notes that its monopoly on the Canadian sports dollar is slowly eroding. In the US, the league has little traction outside of the big markets.

I would, in Bettman’s shoes, enter into a warm, close relationship with the NHLPA as close cooperation will be needed in the decade ahead. Sacrificing our market, a flashpoint for the NHLPA, was a necessary first step.

Second step would be getting all broadcasts on free TV and streaming. Sacrifice short time revenue for long time increases in popularity. Also would reward Canadians for their loyalty.

Third, develop a true grudge rivalry between LA and Boston or NY which captures the imagination of US fans, like BOS-NY in baseball or Dallas-WASH in football. This can be done w good scheduling.

Regarding the third point, count me with those that refuse to watch Boston v Yankees. I cannot stand getting that crammed down my throat. I don't care about either team. Redskins have not been relevant for decades but I understand the point.

 

[TheLegend]

Fixed your first and second words

Why? Trying for some obscure and baseless point? Or just feeling asshatty today??

 

[awfulwaffle]

How many times does this have to be said.......

No amount of money was going to convince Glendale to agree to any lease less than 12 years. Meruelo offered a 3 year plus 2 year option to stay. Glendale said no.

Glendale was NOT a viable solution long term.

Full stop.

Do we have more detail other than "Glendale wanted a lease for 12 years minimum"? What would the cost be to terminate the lease early, etc. While I imagine Glendale would have made that number astronomical and unrealistic, but there are these options in leases(I would assume this is something that is normally built in for sports teams too?).

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Why? Trying for some obscure and baseless point? Or just feeling asshatty today??

Just fine tuning sloppy work.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

At this point arguing about Glendale is like arguing about Los Arcos. Hell, we're already three sites removed from GRA!

We'll find out in 10 days whether all this bickering will be relevant or not...

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Sad thing is, winning the auction is only a part if the equation. Still doesn't mean an arena actually gets built.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Sad thing is, winning the auction is only a part if the equation. Still doesn't mean an arena actually gets built.

I'd put the probability of actually building an arena at about 15%.

 

[TheLegend]

Do we have more detail other than "Glendale wanted a lease for 12 years minimum"? What would the cost be to terminate the lease early, etc. While I imagine Glendale would have made that number astronomical and unrealistic, but there are these options in leases(I would assume this is something that is normally built in for sports teams too?).

Quotes from Glendale’s city manager good enough??

 

[TheLegend]

Just fine tuning sloppy work.

So…. Asshatty.

 

[TheLegend]

Sad thing is, winning the auction is only a part if the equation. Still doesn't mean an arena actually gets built.

 

[awfulwaffle]

Quotes from Glendale’s city manager good enough??

Sure, but I'm saying, most leases come with an option to terminate. If AM really wanted to, he could have signed a long term lease, and once he got his arena built, he could have terminated the lease. Additionally, there's no telling what the COG would have done had AM started building an arena, knowing there were 10 years left on their current lease. It was a bad option all around, if in fact the end goal was AM getting his own arena/district.

 

[TheLegend]

Sure, but I'm saying, most leases come with an option to terminate. If AM really wanted to, he could have signed a long term lease, and once he got his arena built, he could have terminated the lease. Additionally, there's no telling what the COG would have done had AM started building an arena, knowing there were 10 years left on their current lease. It was a bad option all around, if in fact the end goal was AM getting his own arena/district.

Glendale would have added a poison pill clause like what the Panthers had when they signed their last lease. Something in the neighborhood of $25 million IIRC.

Roadrunners have a $3 million out clause in theirs.

 

[awfulwaffle]

Glendale would have added a poison pill clause like what the Panthers had when they signed their last lease. Something in the neighborhood of $25 million IIRC.

Roadrunners have a $3 million out clause in theirs.

Looking back, maybe that could have been worthwhile. He spent $20M on the annex itself just to play at Mullet. If the out was only $25M, might have been worth it to tough it out in Glendale until there was a new arena/district. But, hindsight is 20/20, and it's possible that Glendale would have just went nuts with the termination fee.

 

[Sinurgy]

Upon necropsy a week or two ago, I confirmed the cause of death. While it's true there is no rational need to exhume, it does seem to comfort those in denial.

I bet you also make the worlds best cup of coffee.

 

[AZviaNJ]

Looking back, maybe that could have been worthwhile. He spent $20M on the annex itself just to play at Mullet. If the out was only $25M, might have been worth it to tough it out in Glendale until there was a new arena/district. But, hindsight is 20/20, and it's possible that Glendale would have just went nuts with the termination fee.

Think Bettman's bad taste for Glendale politics also played a role....he wanted nothing to do with Glendale after the Tindall/Frisoni fiasco.

 

[Edenjung]

Sure, but I'm saying, most leases come with an option to terminate.

For both sides.
Imagine this, Glendale does that and then AM buys land and starts with construction.
Glendale would immediatly cancel the lease and then you are in big doodoo.
In addition, your reputation is on the line, because you made a contract that you never wanted to honor to its full extent. This also could lead to litigation.

 

[awfulwaffle]

For both sides.
Imagine this, Glendale does that and then AM buys land and starts with construction.
Glendale would immediatly cancel the lease and then you are in big doodoo.
In addition, your reputation is on the line, because you made a contract that you never wanted to honor to its full extent. This also could lead to litigation.

True, so in reality, the best option was not try anything with Glendale unless you could get a short term lease, knowing that you were leaving(and Glendale knowing as well). So can't really fault AM for not working with Glendale if they weren't willing to work with him.

 

[Jamieh]

True, so in reality, the best option was not try anything with Glendale unless you could get a short term lease, knowing that you were leaving(and Glendale knowing as well). So can't really fault AM for not working with Glendale if they weren't willing to work with him.

Aren't the Coyotes ending a lease early right now after paying $20 plus million upfront?? That sure doesn't look like a better alternative than negotiating a City friendly deal with Glendale that didn't make them the laughing stock of the League?? And maybe spend some money on tge product while in an arena that has seats to sell might have been a better plan??

 

[LittlePipes]

I liked hockey at the Mullett. I will always enjoy recalling attending games there. It was unique and entertaining.
I sure would have liked to seen parking lot expansion and an upper bowl added right on top. Could’ve been done, except that it wouldn't have serviced the greed.

 

[TheLegend]

Aren't the Coyotes ending a lease early right now after paying $20 plus million upfront?? That sure doesn't look like a better alternative than negotiating a City friendly deal with Glendale that didn't make them the laughing stock of the League?? And maybe spend some money on tge product while in an arena that has seats to sell might have been a better plan??

He still has a lease and it's paid up through this coming season. Just no NHL team to use it on.

One of the reasons why he wanted to bring the Roadrunners up to Tempe, but the lease specifies it has to be an NHL team.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

So…. Asshatty.

I don't think so, but then again your nose has always been so far up AM's bum that you may know the art of asshatery better than I.

I bet you also make the worlds best cup of coffee.

If Kuerig is the best, I'm in like Flynn!

 

[Jamieh]

He still has a lease and it's paid up through this coming season. Just no NHL team to use it on.

One of the reasons why he wanted to bring the Roadrunners up to Tempe, but the lease specifies it has to be an NHL team.

Wonder why they had to pay upfront?? No need to answer as it was rhetorical

 

[TheLegend]

Wonder why they had to pay upfront?? No need to answer as it was rhetorical

Then you didn’t need to ask.

 

[Jamieh]

Then you didn’t need to ask.

Wanted to give you another opportunity to give your wisdom in support of the Asshats

 

[TheLegend]

I don't think so, but then again your nose has always been so far up AM's bum that you may know the art of asshatery better than I.

Just call it….. 35+ years worth of dealing with all sorts of asshats on the internet.