Coach Discussion: All Purpose Coaching Thread Part III

[Ducky10]

There is new information re Wheeler making the decision about who he plays with and on which line. Ates interview. It is a valid question re is this a decision that a coach should defer to a player, especially when it hurts the team. And what that effect is on the teams performance - past, present and future. It is about the coach first and foremost.

Well, let's make it about the coach in the present then. Wheeler no longer playing with Scheifele and the team exceeding expectations for a variety of reasons. Like it or not, Maurice is handling this group well so far. We can talk about Maurice and the performance of the players last year ad nauseum, all that matters is what's happening now.

 

[Guffman]

To be sure, I do feel that the tactics and strategies used by Maurice are too unsophisticated/too conservative/ too non-aggressive, and will leave the team at a dis-advantage when put up against the better teams in the League

I will compile what the Jets record it versus the top 10, middle 10 and bottom 10 (based on winning %).

Real time computations

vs Top 10: 4-6-1
vs Mid 10: 6-1-0
vs Low 10: 10-4-1

The highest ranked team we have beat is Dallas (9th overall).

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Well, let's make it about the coach in the present then. Wheeler no longer playing with Scheifele and the team exceeding expectations for a variety of reasons. Like it or not, Maurice is handling this group well so far. We can talk about Maurice and the performance of the players last year ad nauseum, all that matters is what's happening now.

I like what Maurice has been forced to do this year. Laine on 1st line, Wheeler centering 1b. I am really enjoying this year. Best year in Jets 2.0 other than '17-'18. He is getting a great result from the team. The exceptional performance from goaltending sure helps and I hope it continues. We will need to have our keepers steal games to beat the better opponents.

 

[Whileee]

I like what Naurice has been forced to do this year. Laine on 1st line, Wheeler centering 1b. I am really enjoying this year. Best year in Jets 2.0 other than '17-'18. He is getting a great result from the team. The exceptional performance from goaltending sure helps and I hope it continues. We will need to have our keepers steal games to beat the better opponents.

Maurice had Laine on the 1st line with Scheifele and Wheeler to start the season, and it went stale.

Funny how so many posters now think Wheeler at C is such a good idea, after so many were slagging Maurice for using him there before.

The reality is that Maurice has more good options for the top 6 this season with Ehlers, Laine and Roslovic playing much better and more consistent all-around games this season than last season.

 

[Ducky10]

Maurice had Laine on the 1st line with Scheifele and Wheeler to start the season, and it went stale.

Funny how so many posters now think Wheeler at C is such a good idea, after so many were slagging Maurice for using him there before.

The reality is that Maurice has more good options for the top 6 this season with Ehlers, Laine and Roslovic playing much better and more consistent all-around games this season than last season.

Many people were uncertain of Wheeler at C based on his play there when Scheifele went down a couple years back. I was one and I’m happy to be proven wrong. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable opinion and it’s definitely not slagging Maurice.

Wheeler has proven Maurice was right to put him at C. He had other choices and made the correct call. If that means I deserve to have my nose rubbed in it, I guess I’ll have to accept that.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Many people were uncertain of Wheeler at C based on his play there when Scheifele went down a couple years back. I was one and I’m happy to be proven wrong. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable opinion and it’s definitely not slagging Maurice.

Wheeler has proven Maurice was right to put him at C. He had other choices and made the correct call. If that means I deserve to have my nose rubbed in it, I guess I’ll have to accept that.

I agree.

Also, the righteous indignation over even gently critical posts -- not speaking about anyone specifically -- is getting a bit tiresome. Yes, it's great that we're winning, but this team isn't playing masterpieces each and every game, and noting those points where there might be room for improvement isn't automatically "bashing" or "hating on" or anti-fandom -- if you want to see those things in action, there are plenty of forums on this very site where they're on full display. There are threads for unbridled positivity and for tanking, the rest of the forum is surely open to a range of intermediate perspectives on team and management performance. Crowing is crowing. Nose-rubbing is nose-rubbing. calling out is calling out. None of these age particularly well on a sports forum, IMO.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

PMo talks about his future here (jump to the 3:08 mark)...

Great interview for Maurice.. He is a pro with the media.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

I like what Maurice has been forced to do this year. Laine on 1st line, Wheeler centering 1b. I am really enjoying this year. Best year in Jets 2.0 other than '17-'18. He is getting a great result from the team. The exceptional performance from goaltending sure helps and I hope it continues. We will need to have our keepers steal games to beat the better opponents.

Look up the definition of the word "forced" as you seem to have it confused with the word "choice".

 

[Saidin]

Great interview for Maurice.. He is a pro with the media.

Could ply his trade in Seattle and sell a new team there.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

I know some want to relate this season's success purely to goaltending, to discredit Maurice's coaching influence. Problem with this narrative is it usually applies to most teams experiencing success this season, and to that point, most of the top teams have their goalies performing well above average.

Is Trotz any less of a coach when his combined goaltending tandem sits at a 0.930 sv% ?

AZ has Kemper playing at a .935

Bishop putting up a .933 for Dallas has them in the race

Halak and Rask have had to put up a .927 for Boston this season

There is rarely an instance where a team achieves strong season success without having strong goaltending, through out the history of this game.

To pretend this is an anomaly that only applies to the Jets, and more specifically to Maurice, is transparent and does nothing more than illustrate the correlation between strong goaltending and a winning record.

We have had to have strong goaltending to help compensate for a defensive group that has been decimated injury and free agency. Most anyone that looked at this D core in October, would have laughed at your face if you suggested that we can win without good goaltending; and a coach can cover up that necessity.

 

[surixon]

I know some want to relate this season's success purely to goaltending, to discredit Maurice's coaching influence. Problem with this narrative is it usually applies to most teams experiencing success this season, and to that point, most of the top teams have their goalies performing well above average.

Is Trotz any less of a coach when his combined goaltending tandem sits at a 0.930 sv% ?

AZ has Kemper playing at a .935

Bishop putting up a .933 for Dallas has them in the race

Halak and Rask have had to put up a .927 for Boston this season

There is rarely an instance where a team achieves strong season success without having strong goaltending, through out the history of this game.

To pretend this is an anomaly that only applies to the Jets, and more specifically to Maurice, is transparent and does nothing more than illustrate the correlation between strong goaltending and a winning record.

We have had to have strong goaltending to help compensate for a defensive group that has been decimated injury and free agency. Most anyone that looked at this D core in October, would have laughed at your face if you suggested that we can win without good goaltending; and a coach can cover up that necessity.

The team has played a pretty solid game at ES over the last month and a bit which Maurice deserved credit for. He likely also deserved credit along with team leadership for helping to get things back on track in the room.

Having said that goaltending is still the biggest factor in our year this year. Also there our special teams as a whole have been very poor this season. Our PK is bottom 5 and our PP is bottem half of the league. I can somewhat understand the PK being low but the pp performance is terrible given the teams talent level.

So while he's done some good he has some areas he needs to really address if we are to make noise this year.

 

[Eyeseeing]

I know some want to relate this season's success purely to goaltending, to discredit Maurice's coaching influence. Problem with this narrative is it usually applies to most teams experiencing success this season, and to that point, most of the top teams have their goalies performing well above average.

Is Trotz any less of a coach when his combined goaltending tandem sits at a 0.930 sv% ?

AZ has Kemper playing at a .935

Bishop putting up a .933 for Dallas has them in the race

Halak and Rask have had to put up a .927 for Boston this season

There is rarely an instance where a team achieves strong season success without having strong goaltending, through out the history of this game.

To pretend this is an anomaly that only applies to the Jets, and more specifically to Maurice, is transparent and does nothing more than illustrate the correlation between strong goaltending and a winning record.

We have had to have strong goaltending to help compensate for a defensive group that has been decimated injury and free agency. Most anyone that looked at this D core in October, would have laughed at your face if you suggested that we can win without good goaltending; and a coach can cover up that necessity.

True and in addition the team has chemistry this year that escaped them last season frequently

 

[cbcwpg]

WFP:

While the organization hasn't said one way or the other, Maurice all but confirmed he's carrying "lame-duck" status. "I'm in the exact same situation that I was my first half-season here. " "Let's see if we get along and let's see if this works"

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

The team has played a pretty solid game at ES over the last month and a bit which Maurice deserved credit for. He likely also deserved credit along with team leadership for helping to get things back on track in the room.

Having said that goaltending is still the biggest factor in our year this year. Also there our special teams as a whole have been very poor this season. Our PK is bottom 5 and our PP is bottem half of the league. I can somewhat understand the PK being low but the pp performance is terrible given the teams talent level.

So while he's done some good he has some areas he needs to really address if we are to make noise this year.

Absolutely, goaltending is playing a key role in the success this season, similiar to how it did in the 18/19 season. I was under no false beliefs that this team would be able to be a top 3 team in the central without good goaltending, as most of us were.

What it is doing is buying this team time to figure out its PK and PP issues, as well as continuously building chemistry with an almost entirely new D core.

But lets be honest here, if we were not getting good goaltending and we were sitting outside of a wild card spot, those stating we are only winning because of goaltending would be stating that the only reason we are losing is coaching.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

WFP:

While the organization hasn't said one way or the other, Maurice all but confirmed he's carrying "lame-duck" status. "I'm in the exact same situation that I was my first half-season here. " "Let's see if we get along and let's see if this works"

Lame duck to me is when it is the organization's choice to allow a coach to enter his final year without an extension. Sometimes it could be mutual. In this case, I think Maurice is the one driving this. And when he says it's the exact same situation as his first half season, I recall that also was Maurice's choice not to commit beyond that. So, he can make all the statements he wants about loving it here, this being home, he's here for as long as Chipper and Chevy want him... the proof of the pudding is in the re-signing. Till then, it's all just noise.

 

[Gm0ney]

Absolutely, goaltending is playing a key role in the success this season, similiar to how it did in the 18/19 season. I was under no false beliefs that this team would be able to be a top 3 team in the central without good goaltending, as most of us were.

What it is doing is buying this team time to figure out its PK and PP issues, as well as continuously building chemistry with an almost entirely new D core.

But lets be honest here, if we were not getting good goaltending and we were sitting outside of a wild card spot, those stating we are only winning because of goaltending would be stating that the only reason we are losing is coaching.

We're not getting merely good goaltending. We're getting amazing goaltending.

If the Jets were getting just average goaltending, their record in 1 goal games might be 6-7-3 instead of 12-2-2...leaving us tied with LA for last in the Conference.

But let's be honest strawman here. If we were getting average goaltending and sitting at the bottom of the conference, those stating we're winning because of Maurice's coaching would be stating that the only reason we are losing is because of the talent on the roster.

 

[cbcwpg]

Hextall on Hockey: Paul Maurice to Seattle?

Just speculation, but I do like this statement:

It makes even more sense if Maurice can bring his entire coaching staff with him.

**

Hell yes. If Mo goes, I'll personally help Huddy and Flaherty pack.

 

[cbcwpg]

Lame duck to me is when it is the organization's choice to allow a coach to enter his final year without an extension. Sometimes it could be mutual. In this case, I think Maurice is the one driving this. And when he says it's the exact same situation as his first half season, I recall that also was Maurice's choice not to commit beyond that. So, he can make all the statements he wants about loving it here, this being home, he's here for as long as Chipper and Chevy want him... the proof of the pudding is in the re-signing. Till then, it's all just noise.

Maurice saying " I'm not going anywhere " is right up there with " It's nothing sinister " to " It's day to day " when it comes to coach's sound bites.

You are leaving until you sign a piece of paper saying otherwise.

 

[Duke749]

Maurice saying " I'm not going anywhere " is right up there with " It's nothing sinister " to " It's day to day " when it comes to coach's sound bites.

You are leaving until you sign a piece of paper saying otherwise.

I really don’t know what some of you people expect him to say in these situations.

 

[KingBogo]

Hextall on Hockey: Paul Maurice to Seattle?

Just speculation, but I do like this statement:

It makes even more sense if Maurice can bring his entire coaching staff with him.

**

Hell yes. If Mo goes, I'll personally help Huddy and Flaherty pack.

But I thought all our success was due to goaltending? But I guess by HF boards logic it is in spite of the goalie coach. And Huddy gets no credit for cobbling together the defence?

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

We're not getting merely good goaltending. We're getting amazing goaltending.

If the Jets were getting just average goaltending, their record in 1 goal games might be 6-7-3 instead of 12-2-2...leaving us tied with LA for last in the Conference.

But let's be honest strawman here. If we were getting average goaltending and sitting at the bottom of the conference, those stating we're winning because of Maurice's coaching would be stating that the only reason we are losing is because of the talent on the roster.

If Arizona was getting just average goaltending, Dallas, Islanders, Boston, Avs, pretty much the majority of teams in the top 10 in the league, they would all be outside a playoff spot right now.

That is kinda my point, you need above average goaltending to be an above average team.

And is our amazing goaltending any more amazing than several of the top teams in the leauge?

Helly sits 6th in the league in SV% against goalies with 10 plus games
Helly sits 11th in SV% against goalies with 10 plus games

Every team in the top 10 in the entire league, outside of the Caps, has their goaltending in the top 15 of both stats as well as GSAA stats.

 

[Duke749]

If Arizona was getting just average goaltending, Dallas, Islanders, Boston, Avs, pretty much the majority of teams in the top 10 in the league, they would all be outside a playoff spot right now.

That is kinda my point, you need above average goaltending to be an above average team.

And is our amazing goaltending any more amazing than several of the top teams in the leauge?

Helly sits 6th in the league in SV% against goalies with 10 plus games
Helly sits 11th in SV% against goalies with 10 plus games

Every team in the top 10 in the entire league, outside of the Caps, has their goaltending in the top 15 of both stats as well as GSAA stats.

Huh?

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

Huh?

Umm, huh to what?

 

[Guffman]

If the Jets were getting just average goaltending, their record in 1 goal games might be 6-7-3 instead of 12-2-2...leaving us tied with LA for last in the Conference.

I have made this point a few times now but I'll do it yet again...

If we only received "average goaltending", wouldn't that mean Hellebuyck is underperforming based on his contract and expected performance? What's the point of speculating a "what if" scenario that's based on a player underperforming? It's silly.

 

[Duke749]

Umm, huh to what?

The bolded part.