Prospect Info: All-Purpose 2024 Draft Thread & Celebrini discussion (also the 14th pick and whatever else is draft related)

[WSS11]

I go back and forth on it. I can see it being smart for SJ to target him because they don't necessarily need him to be the all situations fully engaged player that others might because they have Celebrini. They could let him be an OZ heavy role player and PP specialist sort of like what Washington has done with Ovechkin the last 3-4 years (70-75 percent OZ starts and 4.4 PP minutes per game).

That could oddly be a sweet line with Smith's playmaking and RH shot from the center position with Eiserman on the LW with a ton of OZ starts. Add a bruising wing on the other side to sit net front and that's a cool 2/3 line (albeit sort of gimmicky and maybe not the most effective come playoff time).

Think Eiserman could be a very good regular season player and then disappear come playoff time, but we haven't sniffed the playoffs in 5 years so I will take that risk and figure out how to win in the playoffs once we start losing there.

Agreed. Eiserman has a Heatley/Kovalchuk-esque shot and would be lethal on the PP. to your point, a situational weapon.

 

[Grinner]

Eiserman - Smith - Halttunen

Smith might never need to shoot.

Is that because they might never possess the puck?

 

[STL Shark]

If you're a gambler, Cole isn't a bad gamble.

But if you want to draft like the teams that everyone seems to admire (like Dallas), you take a player who already has the tools AND the playstyle for the NHL. If you want a Wyatt Johnson or a Stankoven, you draft Chernyshov, MBN, Solberg at 14. That's my opinion, which is only that.

I think we're going to draft Eiserman but I'd rather anyone else except Jiricek that is being considered.

If you're putting Wyatt Johnston as the goal, you're always going to be disappointed because of how bizarre the circumstances of that draft were. Johnston played 7 WJC games in his draft year and nothing else because the OHL was shutdown all year.

Not saying to take a massive swing on a boom/bust Goldobin type (small, awful team, tons of minutes with no structure to inflate numbers), but Eiserman is defensible because his shot is that elite and he actually has some physicality to his game/frame at 200+ lbs.

I like MBN as much as the next, but I also understand that his skillset is easier to find with our volume of 2nd's more than the elite shot/goal scoring of Eiserman. I would go with one of those 2 probably ahead of Solberg (though I wouldn't hate trading back into the 1st to select Solberg if he falls into the 20 range).

 

[Jargon]

We also need to draft prospects who will hold their value as trade assets. Eiserman and other boom/bust guys are the complete opposite of this.

Oh see I don’t know. I feel like his scoring alone will make him a fairly valuable trading asset for the future and it’s one reason I don’t mind him. But ultimately, I think it’s fair to say he’s a huge gamble

 

[coooldude]

If you're putting Wyatt Johnston as the goal, you're always going to be disappointed because of how bizarre the circumstances of that draft were. Johnston played 7 WJC games in his draft year and nothing else because the OHL was shutdown all year.

Not saying to take a massive swing on a boom/bust Goldobin type (small, awful team, tons of minutes with no structure to inflate numbers), but Eiserman is defensible because his shot is that elite and he actually has some physicality to his game/frame at 200+ lbs.

I like MBN as much as the next, but I also understand that his skillset is easier to find with our volume of 2nd's more than the elite shot/goal scoring of Eiserman. I would go with one of those 2 probably ahead of Solberg (though I wouldn't hate trading back into the 1st to select Solberg if he falls into the 20 range).

Right, at this point we're talking personal preference. I wouldn't trade down to try to grab Solberg because he's got a high chance of going 16 to STL. Upper end of his range is that he might not even be there at 14. I prefer him, I understand the arguments of those who don't.

And Wyatt Johnston and Stankoven were just the examples. The analysis that was shared was that DAL doesn't go for the "one NHL skill, big swing on upside" pick but picks the kind of unsexy but highly projectable players. So that rationale would point you away from Eiserman, whose game is not yet NHL projectable, only his shot.

He may tear it up in the NCAA's and still not be able to translate his game to the NHL, where he'll have to be and work smarter and harder to create chances and find space. I get the bet, I just don't personally like it or think it's in line with the Dallas-type drafting mentality.

 

[Hodge]

Oh see I don’t know. I feel like his scoring alone will make him a fairly valuable trading asset for the future and it’s one reason I don’t mind him. But ultimately, I think it’s fair to say he’s a huge gamble

With Eiserman's goal scoring numbers, he would/should be going top 10 if not top 5 if the league believed in him as a player.

I just think a big physical defenseman like Solberg or two-way power winger like MBN will always be more coveted by other teams in trade.

 

[TheBeard]

Trading DOWN from 14 to add more ammo despite having three second rounders would be asinine.

 

[STL Shark]

Trading DOWN from 14 to add more ammo despite having three second rounders would be asinine.

That is also why it is hard to find trade up candidates as Utah has a million 2nd rounders. Seattle has a pair of 2nds. Calgary has 2 1st and 2 2nd.

Ottawa is about the only reasonable trade up choice due to not having surplus picks, but they also need players sooner than later so waiting on a 14th to develop as opposed to nabbing a top end guy doesn't make a lot of sense for them.

New Jersey would be the other, but I can't see them coveting a bunch of 2nds this year to add prospects when they are in their window now. Think it is either a roster player or draft an Iginla/Sennecke type for them at 10 that can help them sooner than later.

 

[TheBeard]

That is also why it is hard to find trade up candidates as Utah has a million 2nd rounders. Seattle has a pair of 2nds. Calgary has 2 1st and 2 2nd.

Ottawa is about the only reasonable trade up choice due to not having surplus picks, but they also need players sooner than later so waiting on a 14th to develop as opposed to nabbing a top end guy doesn't make a lot of sense for them.

New Jersey would be the other, but I can't see them coveting a bunch of 2nds this year to add prospects when they are in their window now. Think it is either a roster player or draft an Iginla/Sennecke type for them at 10 that can help them sooner than later.

14, 33 and Ferraro

For

7 and Chabot

 

[Juxtaposer]

Whoa.

 

[gaucholoco3]

That is also why it is hard to find trade up candidates as Utah has a million 2nd rounders. Seattle has a pair of 2nds. Calgary has 2 1st and 2 2nd.

Ottawa is about the only reasonable trade up choice due to not having surplus picks, but they also need players sooner than later so waiting on a 14th to develop as opposed to nabbing a top end guy doesn't make a lot of sense for them.

New Jersey would be the other, but I can't see them coveting a bunch of 2nds this year to add prospects when they are in their window now. Think it is either a roster player or draft an Iginla/Sennecke type for them at 10 that can help them sooner than later.

NJ trade

Ferraro + 14 for 10

Then they could trade 14 in a package for Necas. Basically turning 10 into Ferraro and Necas.

 

[Juxtaposer]

NJ trade

Ferraro + 14 for 10

Then they could trade 14 in a package for Necas. Basically turning 10 into Ferraro and Necas.

I think you’ve missed some recent news.

 

[Star Platinum]

I'm a bigger Golden State Warriors fan than a Sharks fan, but watching both teams, I think the Sharks are at a better place than the Warriors are right now. The Warriors are where the Sharks were before the tear down. Aging star players with sky high salary and not particularly competitive any longer. That's a sucky place to be. The Warriors don't even have a 1st round pick this year.

I think above all else, above having good young players, good coach, salary cap structure, I think the most important thing is a good GM. Grier seems to have a good start to his career. Dunleavy of the Warriors might end up mortgaging the Warriors' future trading all their youth, their draft picks and they might not even make the playoffs or go far. That's a very dark dark place for that fan base to be in if that's their course.

I'm in the same boat. In fact, when the Sharks won the lottery, I was pretty much the guy going through the mid-life crisis getting tired of looking at his middle aged wife when this hot young thing started working at the company. I'm about ready to serve papers on the Warriors, buy a Porsche, and go cruising around town in it with the top down showing up my hot new Celebrini.

Warriors won't be Sharks-awful, but they're heading for a post-Series Giants future that's been going on ten years now. I'm just praying they don't repeat last summer's mistake with Draymond and resign Klay. It's tear-down time.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

It'll be a D at 11 now. Whichever falls..it's probably Yakemchuk or Parekh but if can move up a few spots more to grab Dickinson/Buium that legit could speed up the rebuild significantly.

Adding a 1C and top pair D (potentially obviously) in the same draft is franchise changing.

 

[Juxtaposer]

1. Celebrini
2. Levshunov
3. Lindstrom
4. Demidov
5. Sennecke
6. Buium
7. Silayev
8. Dickinson
9. Catton
10. Helenius
11. Choice of Yakemchuk/Parekh/Iginla

Yeah, that’s the dream.

 

[dmcccdmn]

I'm in the same boat. In fact, when the Sharks won the lottery, I was pretty much the guy going through the mid-life crisis getting tired of looking at his middle aged wife when this hot young thing started working at the company. I'm about ready to serve papers on the Warriors, buy a Porsche, and go cruising around town in it with the top down showing up my hot new Celebrini.

Warriors won't be Sharks-awful, but they're heading for a post-Series Giants future that's been going on ten years now. I'm just praying they don't repeat last summer's mistake with Draymond and resign Klay. It's tear-down time.

This is why Bob Myers left the Warriors. The players were aging fast and their play declined even faster. But what GM could tear down the team around Steph Curry? There really wasn't a choice for the Warriors GM. Their only expected solution was to patch up an old car that was falling apart to compete in the race instead of rebuilding by trading their star players for whatever value they have left.

I am happy that the Sharks were able to get some value back for their aging star players and rebuild from the draft the right way by tanking and getting elite players like Smith and Celebrini. Had they tried to appease to the fans and won more games, we wouldn't have Smith and Celebrini.

 

[timorous me]

1. Celebrini
2. Levshunov
3. Lindstrom
4. Demidov
5. Sennecke
6. Buium
7. Silayev
8. Dickinson
9. Catton
10. Helenius
11. Choice of Yakemchuk/Parekh/Iginla

Yeah, that’s the dream.

The more I think about it, the more I'd be shocked if Yakemchuk isn't the guy Grier is targeting now at 11. The overall package just feels too alluring and too in line with our needs.

Of course, if he were to happen to go in the top 10 and Parekh is the only one of the top six D left, then what? I'm not so convinced Grier would go with Parekh, so that opens up another can of worms.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

This draft is so wild every time I think of a mock I second guess a prospect/what a team wants. Someone who works for the Sens told me they are taking Iginla...but I just don't know if that's true or not. I'm going to do this again tomorrow, but for now my guess is:
1. Celebrini
2. Levshunov
3. Silayev
4. Demidov
5. Lindstrom
6. Buium
7. Sennecke
8. Dickinson
9. Iginla
10. Eiserman
11. Parekh
12. Yakemchuk
13. Catton
14. Helenius
15. Brandsegg-Nygard
16. Solberg

 

[spintops]

I think Carton falls to us. Is MG going to take another small winger if he is BPA?

 

[STL Shark]

The more I think about it, the more I'd be shocked if Yakemchuk isn't the guy Grier is targeting now at 11. The overall package just feels too alluring and too in line with our needs.

Of course, if he were to happen to go in the top 10 and Parekh is the only one of the top six D left, then what? I'm not so convinced Grier would go with Parekh, so that opens up another can of worms.

I just don't think that NJD, Buffalo, Philly, or Minnesota were going to target Yakemchuk ahead of SJ. There were lots of rumors that he was going to fall down the board. That said, I probably draft him even if I don't love the prospect.

I see him panning out a lot like Ristolainen as a big RH shot that can produce some offense but not defend. And even though Risto has never really been good, Buffalo netted a 1st (14th overall), 2nd (39th overall), and Robert Hagg in a trade for him after it became apparent he wasn't a winning player. So GMs will always be willing to trade for tall RH shooting former top end of the first round D-Men it appears.

 

[ChompChomp]

I think Carton falls to us. Is MG going to take another small winger if he is BPA?

I like Catton so I wouldn't mind that at all. But with this move, I don't think Grier is thinking about simply drafting BPA. He probably has his eye on a few names, i.e. making this move to ensure he gets of one Parekh/Catton/Iginla/Eiserman or something like that. (might be a different group of names, but you get my point)

 

[coooldude]

I just don't think that NJD, Buffalo, Philly, or Minnesota were going to target Yakemchuk ahead of SJ. There were lots of rumors that he was going to fall down the board.

Oh, I saw a lot of non-amateur mocks with him going to BUF, PHI, or MIN. Not NJD.

The draft could be wild. Yak and Parekh could both go earlier than people think as RD with huge upside. Someone like Dickinson with less upside might fall to 11. That was my "max chaos" prediction in the Draft SNOG thread.

Whatever the case, The only pick I will be unhappy with at 11 is now Eiserman. And as you said before, there IS a chance (probably 25%? 40%?) that they moved up to secure him, which I would greatly disagree with.

 

[one2gamble]

I hope he doesnt give up anymore 1st rounders, we have a draft party to entertain!

 

[Bizz]

I hope he doesnt give up anymore 1st rounders, we have a draft party to entertain!

1OA for Tom Wilson incoming.

 

[STL Shark]

Oh, I saw a lot of non-amateur mocks with him going to BUF, PHI, or MIN. Not NJD.

The draft could be wild. Yak and Parekh could both go earlier than people think as RD with huge upside. Someone like Dickinson with less upside might fall to 11. That was my "max chaos" prediction in the Draft SNOG thread.

Whatever the case, The only pick I will be unhappy with at 11 is now Eiserman. And as you said before, there IS a chance (probably 25%? 40%?) that they moved up to secure him, which I would greatly disagree with.

Dickinson falling to 11 would be my ideal scenario. Still my favorite D in this draft. Think he's left handed Pietrangelo where he's not flashy but is solid everywhere and will be on a top pairing for a decade or more. Dickinson, Muk, Thrun down the left side is what dreams are made of.