AEW All Elite Wrestling #9: Mox Aggressor Brings the Blood

[TheBeastCoast]

Sky won’t fall, it would just be dumb as shit

If it is a one off and FTR were to go away....then yes it would be dumb as shit. If the Bucks go over and it started an actual program? Then there would be massive over reactions the night of lol

 

[CDJ]

If it is a one off and FTR were to go away....then yes it would be dumb as shit. If the Bucks go over and it started an actual program? Then there would be massive over reactions the night of lol

There would be massive overreactions for a reason- They don’t do well in the ratings. They aren’t more over than the acclaimed. They are not better than BCG (imo). They do not deserve the belts.

And if they win them on that big of a stage? Dumb. And people will see right through it.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

I might be misremembering and I'm not it 100% sure if it was against FTR (might have even been a trios thing) but I do remember Khan making the call for the Bucks to go over someone when they didn't want too.

 

[sansabri]

I do kind of find it hilarious that if the Bucks ever go over or win a title they are marks for themselves. Like the people that hate them just can't help but let their own hate over ride any semblance of logic. People similarly freaked the f*** out when the Bucks went over FTR in their first match and shocker....FTR wasn't buried by losing the first match to the Bucks.

the Bucks made TK pay the Rock 'n' Roll Express to declare that the Bucks are the greatest tag team of all time. there's a precedent to us sweating it over

 

[Clint Eastwood]

Wrestling fans who care about who does well in the ratings are the biggest goofs.

You're not running the company, you'll never run a wrestling company. Stop watching the show from the lense of a businessman. We're watching grown men in their underwear play fighting, it's not that deep. Some people take this way too damn seriously. Loosen up, try to enjoy the show, and stop twisting yourselves into pretzels trying to create blatant conspiracy theories about wrestlers you don't enjoy.

Now with that said, I am rooting for FTR like the rest of you because I'm thinking the Hungbucks have a lot to offer in the trios division as well as a potential feud with Dark Order. I'm also hoping for FTR to have some more matches to make this an incredible tag title run. FTR vs. Aussie Open, FTR vs. BCC (Mox/Bryan in particular please), and then FTR will drop the titles to the Best Friends . . . . right?? RIGHT???

 

[CDJ]

I mean I don’t know how I’m inventing anything when I say they are marks for themselves, Matt Jackson literally said the company would collapse without them lol

So yeah when they say shit like that they open up the can of worms where I can go “yeah remember that PPV quality blood and guts match you hyped up for months that lost viewers as it went on?”

 

[TheBeastCoast]

There would be massive overreactions for a reason- They don’t do well in the ratings. They aren’t more over than the acclaimed. They are not better than BCG (imo). They do not deserve the belts.

And if they win them on that big of a stage? Dumb. And people will see right through it.

Just be honest. You wouldn't be happy with the belt on them regardless of the circumstances around it. You hate the Bucks, and that is fine but you are like actively trying to find reasons to hate it lol I see the current thing to hate on the Bucks is them saying AEW wouldn't be a thing without them? Which is like just kind of objectively true. Khan was the money, Jericho, Mox and Omega were the star power but who started BTE which got the Elite a massive online following? Like just don't let your hate cloud reality here. The Bucks were a massive part of AEW getting off the ground. That is a straight up fact. Can't be argued.

 

[CDJ]

Just be honest. You wouldn't be happy with the belt on them regardless of the circumstances around it. You hate the Bucks, and that is fine but you are like actively trying to find reasons to hate it lol I see the current thing to hate on the Bucks is them saying AEW wouldn't be a thing without them? Which is like just kind of objectively true. Khan was the money, Jericho, Mox and Omega were the star power but who started BTE which got the Elite a massive online following? Like just don't let your hate cloud reality here. The Bucks were a massive part of AEW getting off the ground. That is a straight up fact. Can't be argued.

I literally said they were a big part of the core when it started within the last 24 hours. They are not anymore, and if they left business would carry on. Now THAT is a “straight up fact”

I’m not the one marking out for myself saying a business would crumble without me as ratings fall during my big match. That’s all!

 

[Clint Eastwood]

I don't think this quote is as egotistical as it's made out to be. I don't think he's saying the company is dead as soon as they leave. I think he's saying that "All Elite Wrestling" not having The Elite kind of loses the spirit for a lot of people, it'd be weird, it wouldn't feel right. That type of thing weighed on him when making a decision.

I can't read the guy's mind. Maybe he's a massive POS or something Idk. But I feel like you're holding a pretty random quote against the guy.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

It is what it is…right after getting those extensions if they go over on the best/hottest team in the world on that big of a stage (after conveniently not dropping the belts to FTR when it would’ve helped them out a lot) then we know what they asked for in those extension talks

Fortunately FTR never needed them. They got over huge because they are the best of the generation. It’s impossible for them to be buried by an inferior tag team when the world sees the truth for what it is. We had to watch FTR as glorified henchmen for awhile in “the company that would collapse” without the bucks. Thankfully FTR are undeniable.




My ultimate prediction is that FTR cheats to win. FTR goes heel. YB’s are protected. They can end up doing a best of 5

Didn't FTR end weeks, if not months, of will they or won't they, by showing up one night with new contracts in hand and a quick title match/coronation set up for them?

 

[CDJ]

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I don't think this quote is as egotistical as it's made out to be. I don't think he's saying the company is dead as soon as they leave. I think he's saying that "All Elite Wrestling" not having The Elite kind of loses the spirit for a lot of people, it'd be weird, it wouldn't feel right. That type of thing weighed on him when making a decision.

I can't read the guy's mind. Maybe he's a massive POS or something Idk. But I feel like you're holding a pretty random quote against the guy.

“We are the main characters of this company” isn’t egotistical? Then he goes on to say they are the foundation and if you lose your foundation you collapse. I’m sorry but what else is that supposed to mean?

I mean cmon, people are accusing me of twisting their words and actions. This couldn’t be more black and white. There is nothing else it could mean. If we all can’t agree on that there’s no point in discussion.

 

[CDJ]

Didn't FTR end weeks, if not months, of will they or won't they, by showing up one night with new contracts in hand and a quick title match/coronation set up for them?

Right they’re the best tag team in the world and deserve it. Their matches don’t lose eyeballs. Their work rate is 2nd to none. And they’re the most over tag team in the world AINEC (well, outside of MJF/Cole lol)

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Right they’re the best tag team in the world and deserve it. Their matches don’t lose eyeballs. Their work rate is 2nd to none. And they’re the most over tag team in the world AINEC (well, outside of MJF/Cole lol)

Sounds to me like they're nothing more than bitches who wouldn't sign without their little cookie.

Soft guys, out.

 

[CDJ]

Sounds to me like they're nothing more than bitches who wouldn't sign without their little cookie.

Soft guys, out.

This you?


TK has to back up the brinks truck and pull out all the stops for the talent the wwe actually wants. But tbh I don’t believe for a second there was ever a real “will they or won’t they”. That program with the Gunns seemed pretty mapped out. Like if you think about it they aren’t going back to wwe (unless maybe Vince dies but probably not ever given how unhappy they were) and tf would they do in Japan full time? They weren’t ever leaving the AEW schedule given their priorities

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

This you?


TK has to back up the brinks truck and pull out all the stops for the talent the wwe actually wants. But tbh I don’t believe for a second there was ever a real “will they or won’t they”. That program with the Gunns seemed pretty mapped out. Like if you think about it they aren’t going back to wwe (unless maybe Vince dies but probably not ever given how unhappy they were) and tf would they do in Japan full time? They weren’t ever leaving the AEW schedule given their priorities

If I were to be of the attacking people persuasion, I'd at least limit it to people who I don't know have had a bit of a rough go health wise. Come on.

 

[CDJ]

Catching up on collision- liking this Starks heel turn and the disrespecting of the veterans. i like that he’s not punt kicking them to death like Randy lol

 

[CDJ]

If I were to be of the attacking people persuasion, I'd at least limit it to people who I don't know have had a bit of a rough go health wise. Come on.

lol fair, gigolos have to have taste. I still can’t believe what a scumbag that guy was. Glad Cash/Dash got one in on him

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Wrestling fans who care about who does well in the ratings are the biggest goofs.

You're not running the company, you'll never run a wrestling company. Stop watching the show from the lense of a businessman. We're watching grown men in their underwear play fighting, it's not that deep. Some people take this way too damn seriously. Loosen up, try to enjoy the show, and stop twisting yourselves into pretzels trying to create blatant conspiracy theories about wrestlers you don't enjoy.

Now with that said, I am rooting for FTR like the rest of you because I'm thinking the Hungbucks have a lot to offer in the trios division as well as a potential feud with Dark Order. I'm also hoping for FTR to have some more matches to make this an incredible tag title run. FTR vs. Aussie Open, FTR vs. BCC (Mox/Bryan in particular please), and then FTR will drop the titles to the Best Friends . . . . right?? RIGHT???

Bolded 1: I mean, we are discussing if a tag team should or should not go over. It is a business decision made to draw more money. You have to look at business metrics to make that decision.

The Bucks going over, unless it leads to a larger CMFTR vs The Elite story, is not a good business decision. They do not draw and FTR have been on fire lately. Heck, at this point, FTR losing the titles to ANYONE would be bad business. No team has been elevated enough to deserve it. The closest would be Bullet Club Gold and I think the Gunns will ultimately be the ones to retake the titles. Jay and Juice should be fighting for singles gold.

Bolded 2: That's the definition of a midcard feud and, yes, at this point, this is where the Bucks should be. They can give you fun matches, but, at this point in AEW history, they are complementary pieces. The Dark Order has been rendered totally irrelevant, so I do not mind them getting a good midcard program to build themselves back up.

 

[GKJ]

More then rumors. She herself has said she is considering not coming back.

Doesn't mean it was locker room issues, her heart might just not be in wrestling, but hearing her take would be interesting.

It was kind of a lot they gave to her just to decide to leave the moment she had to drop the title. Don’t know if they’re related, but it would leave me trepidations to do that again. Wasn’t like she wasn’t putting the work in.

 

[CDJ]

Willow > Cargill anyway

 

[sabremike]

There is no way for someone to make themselves look worse than using the term "mark". Not a coincidence that the only people in the industry who still use it (other than heels performing in promos to get heat) are almost always the worst/dumbest people in it (Vinny Ru, Disco ect).

 

[CDJ]

I’ve seen wrestlers call other wrestlers “a mark for themselves” no less than 100000000000 times, there have been countless examples of wrestlers being marks for themselves throughout history. Just look to last weeks DSOTR and Hogan at BATB 2000 as an example. And I don’t consume Russo or Disco content because they’re chodes. Nobody in here is calling the fans “marks”.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

It is kind of hilarious how the people who absolutely can't stand the Bucks have just latched onto one week they were in a match that had ratings go down and just extrapolated that into the Bucks are obviously not a draw....and not it was one week and maybe we shouldn't make sweeping generalizations over what a draw is based off of a couple weeks of ratings It is wild how much I feel like I am having to come to the Bucks defense on here, a team I am not even some massive fan of but f***ing hell the people that hate them are getting to the point of ridiculousness. You can not like a team(wrestler) while also not needing to discredit every single thing they have done or will do in the future. It is possible.

 

[CDJ]

i think you like the young bucks more than I dislike them tbh, if that wasn’t the case you wouldn’t be trying to act like the ratings thing is a one-off.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

i think you like the young bucks more than I dislike them tbh, if that wasn’t the case you wouldn’t be trying to act like the ratings thing is a one-off.

Nope.