Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part V

[wintersej]

I don't make trade proposals often and the following is not likely to happen,

BUT

would you consider the following deal?

to ST LOUIS
Krejci, Rask and EDM 2nd pick (14,250 cap hit this year)

to BOSTON
Stastny, Allen and Shattenkirk (13,600 cap hit this year)

Reasoning:
St Louis solves their goaltending issues and replace their #1 centre with an slight upgrade. Negative - they aquire long term cap hits.

Boston gets their upgraded defenceman and get a true #2 centre. Open up cap space down the road.

Not sure I do this if I am Boston because the best player (maybe both) are heading to St Louis. Jake Allen could (fingers crossed) be a great #1 goalie.

Thoughts?
Am I nuts?

Boston gives up the two best players in the deal.

 

[22Brad Park]

I don't make trade proposals often and the following is not likely to happen,

BUT

would you consider the following deal?

to ST LOUIS
Krejci, Rask and EDM 2nd pick (14,250 cap hit this year)

to BOSTON
Stastny, Allen and Shattenkirk (13,600 cap hit this year)

Reasoning:
St Louis solves their goaltending issues and replace their #1 centre with an slight upgrade. Negative - they aquire long term cap hits.

Boston gets their upgraded defenceman and get a true #2 centre. Open up cap space down the road.

Not sure I do this if I am Boston because the best player (maybe both) are heading to St Louis. Jake Allen could (fingers crossed) be a great #1 goalie.

Thoughts?
Am I nuts?

I think if Boston moves Rask for Allen in a deal they are toast. Last nite here fans hammered Rask .But truth be told he faces wsy to many shots from.quality areas.Bruins defence stinks.Your trade though was good thinking.Boston GM though would probably over pay you guys for Shattenkirk rental.Thats his specialty.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

I don't make trade proposals often and the following is not likely to happen,

BUT

would you consider the following deal?

to ST LOUIS
Krejci, Rask and EDM 2nd pick (14,250 cap hit this year)

to BOSTON
Stastny, Allen and Shattenkirk (13,600 cap hit this year)

Reasoning:
St Louis solves their goaltending issues and replace their #1 centre with an slight upgrade. Negative - they aquire long term cap hits.

Boston gets their upgraded defenceman and get a true #2 centre. Open up cap space down the road.

Not sure I do this if I am Boston because the best player (maybe both) are heading to St Louis. Jake Allen could (fingers crossed) be a great #1 goalie.

Thoughts?
Am I nuts?

Swap Shattenkirk with Pietrangelo and it's closer. I doubt either team would do that though.

 

[Absurdity]

Pierre LeBrun: "My understanding is that every single call the Blues get (about Shattenkirk) is for a rental situation only (not a sign+trade.) I think the flat salary cap might be scaring that off."

If they give up a lot for a rental DS needs to find a new home

This news screams to me a management team needing to make a move to get this team to the playoffs to save their jobs or job (Neely).

Let's say we get him. And end up re-signing him long term. Where does McAvoy and the rest of the defensive prospects fit?

I'm not sure. I think it will be more of a problem long term than short term. Carlo is staying in the NHL, Shattenkirk will probably want to and will play in the top 4, and McAvoy will probably make the team next season, maybe even play a game or two at the end of this season.

Let's say the Bruins decide to go with Shattenkirk, Carlo, and McAvoy on the right side, the Bruins will have to move Kevan Miller, Colin Miller, and Adam McQuaid which may prove to be a difficult task if Kevan or McQuaid aren't claimed in the expansion draft. Down the line, Carlo and McAvoy will be needing new contracts and even if Chara may be gone by then, the Bruins will have other prospects at forward to accommodate as well.

In my opinion, the Bruins should stay away from Shattenkirk. Who knows how long Bergeron and Rask will be out for, and even if both are healthy, the Bruins need to fix lines 2-4 to even remotely believe they'll even make it let alone get anywhere in the playoffs. I've mentioned this a lot last season. The Bruins have defensemen that can carry the puck out of their zone (Krug, Morrow, Colin Miller, Carlo can, McAvoy can). The problem isn't the personnel to achieve that goal, it's the system that relies on heavy defense. Place Shattenkirk, who at best in my opinion is a 2nd-pairing defenseman that will need a defensive anchor as a partner, in Julien's system, and all he would be is an offensive specialist that would be taken advantage of in his own end. In my opinion, Shattenkirk isn't worth the rental price as he isn't going to suddenly change this team and signing him long-term is an even worse decision given where the cap may be, the signings that need to be made (Pastrnak), and the upcoming prospects that can eventually provide the same thing or even more than Shattenkirk can at the price of an entry-level contract.

Shattenkirk is a big name that fans of any team may want, but in my opinion, he's not a fit or worth the price to trade for and/or sign for the Bruins.

 

[Ratty]

I don't make trade proposals often and the following is not likely to happen,

BUT

would you consider the following deal?

to ST LOUIS
Krejci, Rask and EDM 2nd pick (14,250 cap hit this year)

to BOSTON
Stastny, Allen and Shattenkirk (13,600 cap hit this year)

Reasoning:
St Louis solves their goaltending issues and replace their #1 centre with an slight upgrade. Negative - they aquire long term cap hits.
O
Boston gets their upgraded defenceman and get a true #2 centre. Open up cap space down the road.


Not sure I do this if I am Boston because the best player (maybe both) are heading to St Louis. Jake Allen could (fingers crossed) be a great #1 goalie.

Thoughts?
Am I nuts?

Any info on Krejci waiving? Rask,IIRC, ok, no permission required unless there is a later date for end of NMC.

Edit: Rask's NMC in effect until end of this season. Then, according to spotrac, NTC with limits.

 

[22Brad Park]

This news screams to me a management team needing to make a move to get this team to the playoffs to save their jobs or job (Neely).

I'm not sure. I think it will be more of a problem long term than short term. Carlo is staying in the NHL, Shattenkirk will probably want to and will play in the top 4, and McAvoy will probably make the team next season, maybe even play a game or two at the end of this season.

Let's say the Bruins decide to go with Shattenkirk, Carlo, and McAvoy on the right side, the Bruins will have to move Kevan Miller, Colin Miller, and Adam McQuaid which may prove to be a difficult task if Kevan or McQuaid aren't claimed in the expansion draft. Down the line, Carlo and McAvoy will be needing new contracts and even if Chara may be gone by then, the Bruins will have other prospects at forward to accommodate as well.

In my opinion, the Bruins should stay away from Shattenkirk. Who knows how long Bergeron and Rask will be out for, and even if both are healthy, the Bruins need to fix lines 2-4 to even remotely believe they'll even make it let alone get anywhere in the playoffs. I've mentioned this a lot last season. The Bruins have defensemen that can carry the puck out of their zone (Krug, Morrow, Colin Miller, Carlo can, McAvoy can). The problem isn't the personnel to achieve that goal, it's the system that relies on heavy defense. Place Shattenkirk, who at best in my opinion is a 2nd-pairing defenseman that will need a defensive anchor as a partner, in Julien's system, and all he would be is an offensive specialist that would be taken advantage of in his own end. In my opinion, Shattenkirk isn't worth the rental price as he isn't going to suddenly change this team and signing him long-term is an even worse decision given where the cap may be, the signings that need to be made (Pastrnak), and the upcoming prospects that can eventually provide the same thing or even more than Shattenkirk can at the price of an entry-level contract.

Shattenkirk is a big name that fans of any team may want, but in my opinion, he's not a fit or worth the price to trade for and/or sign for the Bruins.

Hypothetically if they sign Shattenkirk it would be him.Chara with no trade and Krug protected..Colin Miller is getting better and better and only 24..Vegas would jump on him if Bruins kept him.That makes me believe Bruins only on it for rental like reported . Sweeney better be careful on price paid.If Bruins were in thick of it sitting a player or two away from.Cup contender I be saying go for it.But just trying to sneak into playoffs hmm

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Any info on Krejci waiving? Rask,IIRC, ok, no permission required unless there is a later date for end of NMC.

Edit: Rask's NMC in effect until end of this season. Then, according to spotrac, NTC with limits.

You sure like to be the killjoy that feels the need to bring this up every time his name is brought up.

The act of discussing trading Krejci is almost more enjoyable than what the team has brought to the table this year. (for me at least)

 

[BigBadBears]

I don't make trade proposals often and the following is not likely to happen,

BUT

would you consider the following deal?

to ST LOUIS
Krejci, Rask and EDM 2nd pick (14,250 cap hit this year)

to BOSTON
Stastny, Allen and Shattenkirk (13,600 cap hit this year)

Reasoning:
St Louis solves their goaltending issues and replace their #1 centre with an slight upgrade. Negative - they aquire long term cap hits.

Boston gets their upgraded defenceman and get a true #2 centre. Open up cap space down the road.

Not sure I do this if I am Boston because the best player (maybe both) are heading to St Louis. Jake Allen could (fingers crossed) be a great #1 goalie.

Thoughts?
Am I nuts?

I've been on the trade Tuukka bandwagon going on 4 years now. They need to get more value if they trade him now. Including an NHL ready goalie, not Allen. Too bad they traded Jones instead of Tuukka. Or didn't let some other team take the bait when he was an RFA.

I have a question for those who've watched more games than me over the past two years due to some additions to the family. Last year the offense was great and too me it was the first time I saw a bruins team under Julien send the Dmen forward consistently. In the end the D was blamed as the reason they missed the playoffs. This year it seems the dman aren't pushing as much and the offense is struggling without the support - so blame the offense. Now it's easy to blame one side of the puck or the other but can Julien just not find the middle ground with his strategy? So he's reverted to his comfort zone, defense first - shameless plug, but pumps up Tuukka's stats.

That being said. They just need more players with emotion. If you're going to lose, go down swinging.

 

[Absurdity]

Hypothetically if they sign Shattenkirk it would be him.Chara with no trade and Krug protected..Colin Miller is getting better and better and only 24..Vegas would jump on him if Bruins kept him.That makes me believe Bruins only on it for rental like reported . Sweeney better be careful on price paid.If Bruins were in thick of it sitting a player or two away from.Cup contender I be saying go for it.But just trying to sneak into playoffs hmm

I absolutely agree with you about Colin Miller. I still don't think the Bruins are going anywhere this season, and Shattenkirk isn't going to be a world beater that makes this team so much better even if it is just for this season. It will probably cost the Bruins their 1st+which is something I stay away from given where and what this team currently is 54 games in.

 

[PB37]

Let's say we get him. And end up re-signing him long term. Where does McAvoy and the rest of the defensive prospects fit?

This way my proposal a little while ago in the thread about what the Bruins should do going froward. Granted it depended on making a trade for Landeskog after the season was over and signing Shattenkirk and Karl Alzner as free agents, but here's what my proposed blueline looked like for 2016-2017:

5v5

Krug -- Carlo

Alzner -- Shattenkirk

Chara -- McAvoy

ex: O'Gara


PP1

Krug -- Shattenkirk

PP2

Forward -- McAvoy

PK1

Chara -- Carlo

PK2

Alzner -- Shattenkirk

Then in 2017-2018, the Bruins would have several guys fighting over the vacant Chara spot.

 

[Ratty]

You sure like to be the killjoy that feels the need to bring this up every time his name is brought up.

The act of discussing trading Krejci is almost more enjoyable than what the team has brought to the table this year. (for me at least)

Don't want to kill any joy on the fantasy of trading Krejci or Rask. Just trying to be realistic. Absent any information that they are willing to waive, any speculation seems to me as fruitless.

I'd love to jump into a discussion on trade possibilities involving these guys, just don't see it as worthwhile without assurances.

 

[PlayMakers]

Not sure Landeskog is a guy you have to "scout", he`s a known commodity IMO

Every time I hear Colorado it makes me wish we were after Duchene. (I'm not on the Lando bus at all!)

I watched them play LA the other night and the kid is so skilled. Lots of Marchand similarities offensively. Fast, elusive, brave, twist and turns in traffic, charges into battles... Legit 1st line talent.

Long-term swap out Krejci for Duchene and you've really transformed this offense from a methodical one to one that plays at 100mph.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Every time I hear Colorado it makes me wish we were after Duchene. (I'm not on the Lando bus at all!)

I watched them play LA the other night and the kid is so skilled. Lots of Marchand similarities offensively. Fast, elusive, brave, twist and turns in traffic, charges into battles... Legit 1st line talent.

Long-term swap out Krejci for Duchene and you've really transformed this offense from a methodical one to one that plays at 100mph.

Fully agree.

 

[wintersej]

If NMC didn't exist... I'd love Krejci for Shatty and Carlo/McAvoy++ for Duchene...but it ain't happening.

 

[Ace0813]

Spooner, Zboril and 1st for Duchene.

 

[Bad Puck Bounce]

Spooner, Zboril and 1st for Duchene.

Keep adding. Like a lot.

That's a 3rd line centre, a 2-5 defensive prospect at least 2 years from NHL action, and a mid round first in what is a very front loaded draft.

Would you make that trade for Bergeron? Hell, would you make that trade for Krejci?

I wouldn't for either.

 

[GloveSave1]

Spooner, Zboril and 1st for Duchene.

A bit more...probably one more solid cheap piece. DeBrusk would do. And if I was Boston I'd check and see if the AVEs had a useful defenseman that isn't in their plan moving forward to throw in...nothing special...but useful..

Round the edges out a bit.

That's a decent youth/prospect haul at very little cap cost.

 

[vjcsmoke]

Spooner, Zboril and 1st for Duchene.

Not happening.

What about Krejci for Duchene though?

Although it would be better to go after a top defenseman, our offense is pretty bad as well. We are hurting in all areas really - wing, blueline, and #2 GK.

 

[22Brad Park]

I absolutely agree with you about Colin Miller. I still don't think the Bruins are going anywhere this season, and Shattenkirk isn't going to be a world beater that makes this team so much better even if it is just for this season. It will probably cost the Bruins their 1st+which is something I stay away from given where and what this team currently is 54 games in.

I agree.Bruins need to hang onto that pick if it involves a Shattenkirk.Sweeney needs to think trades that help future if he decides to start wheeling. Anything that involves Colin Miller going anywhere I oppose 100%. In my opinion. I see him getting more confidence and a breakout season is coming in near future

 

[DitClapper]

This way my proposal a little while ago in the thread about what the Bruins should do going froward. Granted it depended on making a trade for Landeskog after the season was over and signing Shattenkirk and Karl Alzner as free agents, but here's what my proposed blueline looked like for 2016-2017:

5v5

Krug -- Carlo

Alzner -- Shattenkirk

Chara -- McAvoy

ex: O'Gara


PP1

Krug -- Shattenkirk

PP2

Forward -- McAvoy

PK1

Chara -- Carlo

PK2

Alzner -- Shattenkirk

Then in 2017-2018, the Bruins would have several guys fighting over the vacant Chara spot.

I like it. I really do. But where did these guys go?

 

[DitClapper]

I think I'd rather just sit and hope Colin Miller becomes a Shattenkirk type. He's taken some big steps this year.

 

[bbfan419]

I don't make trade proposals often and the following is not likely to happen,

BUT

would you consider the following deal?

to ST LOUIS
Krejci, Rask and EDM 2nd pick (14,250 cap hit this year)

to BOSTON
Stastny, Allen and Shattenkirk (13,600 cap hit this year)

Reasoning:
St Louis solves their goaltending issues and replace their #1 centre with an slight upgrade. Negative - they aquire long term cap hits.

Boston gets their upgraded defenceman and get a true #2 centre. Open up cap space down the road.

Not sure I do this if I am Boston because the best player (maybe both) are heading to St Louis. Jake Allen could (fingers crossed) be a great #1 goalie.

Thoughts?
Am I nuts?

First off you cannot trade the pick from Edmonton as compensation, the Bruins have to use that pick. Also Rask is 10 times the goalie that Allen is, I want no part of him here, he is a big reason the Blues have struggled this year. Last but not least I would only take Shattenkirk if he would extend his contract, but I would not go higher than $6M per year for maybe 6 years max, if he wants more, then take a big pass on him and let Krug, McAvoy and C. Miller fill that role maybe even better.

 

[bbfan419]

Spooner, Zboril and 1st for Duchene.

Keep the first out of it, but I would offer Carlo, Heinen, Senyshen and Subban for Duchene.

 

[Pia8988]

Keep the first out of it, but I would offer Carlo, Heinen, Senyshen and Subban for Duchene.

Why, it's a weak draft and you want to keep an asset that will take longer to have an impact? I would include the first easily over any of Carlo, Heinen, and Senyshyn.

 

[BruinLVGA]

I think I'd rather just sit and hope Colin Miller becomes a Shattenkirk type. He's taken some big steps this year.

He has impressed me too. Much more swagger and confidence, he could realize his potential after all.