Speculation: All Bruins trade proposals/rumors VIII: Over the Holiday Freeze

[HumBucker]

Right, because CJ is not at all stubborn in his linemaking decisions and unlike any other human being holds no grudges against certain players, and in fact, all line making and player personnel decisions he makes are beyond reproach.

Not at all above reproach. I've been critical of some of his decisions, too. But you're suggesting that he makes roster decisions based on "sentiment out there" and just to appease criticism, and doesn't really want certain line combos to succeed.

So, he'd rather ice a less effective roster, as long as he gets to manifest his "grudges" against certain players?? This kind of dramatic soap opera thinking is hilarious. 12-year-old girls think this way.

You may have noticed that job security among NHL coaches is fairly slim. Coaches that lose, eventually get fired. That includes those that make roster decisions based on "personal grudges" vs effectiveness.

What players do you know for a FACT that he has a personal "grudge" against?

 

[Gordoff]

I sometimes wonder about Julien. There was that last(ish) preseason game where Spooner was borderline brilliant offensively and wasn't bad at all on the defensive end of the puck. Sure, he was on for the last goal against but so were 4 other skaters and the goal wasn't his fault.

Julien was asked about Spooner (obviously, the reporter was expecting some praise) and Julien tore into him being a liability. It was almost like that was his mold of the player and he wasn't going to be told otherwise. Spooner deserved to make this team, but Gagne was going to make it come hell or high water, so crushing the kid was no biggie to Julien.

Claude has been made to think that he can do no wrong because they won the cup under his coaching. That was 3+ years ago now and the shine is off the apple. They just signed him to a rich deal so if Neely goes to JJ (now) and says that he wants to fire Claude it won't be good for his career either. Julien is a little out of control with the way he wields his power over young players and judges them without looking back. He seems to pick certain players that don't "do it" for him and drives them out of the system. Between him and Cassidy they're probably about to move a couple of baby B's without worrying about what Peter C, Sweeney or even Neely has to say about it. He is shaping up to look like an uber control freak and nobody seems to want to stand up to him since they put all of their beans in his basket. They signed his binkies to long, expensive contracts that are hard to move and then signed Gagne to a contract. It's looking as though Lou Lamoriello knew what he was doing in NJ when he canned him. He saw the (player/personnel) decision making power shifting to Julien and he nipped it in the bud, anyway that's my take on it no matter how weird or over the top it seems. Too bad that they didn't re-access their take on Julien last summer so that they could've moved on to a coach who's willing to work with all of the players in Providence and not just the ones who cream his coffee.....Same goes for Cassidy too!

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

Claude has been made to think that he can do no wrong because they won the cup under his coaching. That was 3+ years ago now and the shine is off the apple. They just signed him to a rich deal so if Neely goes to JJ (now) and says that he wants to fire Claude it won't be good for his career either. Julien is a little out of control with the way he wields his power over young players and judges them without looking back. He seems to pick certain players that don't "do it" for him and drives them out of the system. Between him and Cassidy they're probably about to move a couple of baby B's without worrying about what Peter C, Sweeney or even Neely has to say about it. He is shaping up to look like an uber control freak and nobody seems to want to stand up to him since they put all of their beans in his basket. They signed his binkies to long, expensive contracts that are hard to move and then signed Gagne to a contract. It's looking as though Lou Lamoriello knew what he was doing in NJ when he canned him. He saw the (player/personnel) decision making power shifting to Julien and he nipped it in the bud, anyway that's my take on it no matter how weird or over the top it seems. Too bad that they didn't re-access their take on Julien last summer so that they could've moved on to a coach who's willing to work with all of the players in Providence and not just the ones who cream his coffee.....Same goes for Cassidy too!

Wow I want to point out what's wrong with this post, but why bother? I'll just say: all of it

 

[LouJersey]

Wow I want to point out what's wrong with this post, but why bother? I'll just say: all of it

Why because he's not enamored with everything Bruin 24-7 like yourself ?

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

Why because he's not enamored with everything Bruin 24-7 like yourself ?

lol just the part about "it's looking like Lou knew what he was doing...."

Is more than enough to invalidate the whole post.

LOOK AT THE MAN'S TRACK RECORD. You simply don't make that many playoff and finals appearances in this small a window without being an excellent coach. This year alone we managed to go without 2 of our 3 best players for a huge stretch and somehow managed to stay in the conversation for a playoff spot. Go take Subban and Max Pac off the Habs and let me know how that goes for you. Or Stamkos and Hedman while you're at it.

The greater myth is that frankly Claude has done a marvelous job developing a whole array of young/new players, and sometimes tough love over coddling works. Look at Bartowski. People were ready to have him leave for a bag of peanuts. Look at his skating now after they coached him up. He's a different player.

There are tons of problems with the Bruins right now, I can name you a dozen. But Claude Julien is not one of them, nor is his development of young players. This is the same garbage that was being spewed in the Loui thread, and now people are like "oh yeah go Loui, uh...we were always pulling for you buddy". Hamilton keeps turning into one of the best and brightest young D in the league, and it's CLAUDE CAN'T DEVELOP THE KIDS. lol. Reilly Smith was given the reins to the second line at age 22 and scored well there. Claude hates kids!

 

[ODAAT]

I still am a huge CJ backer but there`s still that stubbornness or fear of change when it comes to personnel sliding into a different spot and leaving them there long enough to develop some chemistry which irks me every so often.

Never bought the 'he can`t/won`t/hates developing kids crud', just too much evidence to the contrary

I will buy that there are young players he has trusted more than others.....show me a coach around the league who doesn`t have a player or two in the organization that while fans feel they are "ready" their respective coach just won`t play them

 

[The Special K]

lol just the part about "it's looking like Lou knew what he was doing...."

Is more than enough to invalidate the whole post.

LOOK AT THE MAN'S TRACK RECORD. You simply don't make that many playoff and finals appearances in this small a window without being an excellent coach. This year alone we managed to go without 2 of our 3 best players for a huge stretch and somehow managed to stay in the conversation for a playoff spot. Go take Subban and Price off the Habs and let me know how that goes for you. Or Stamkos and Bishop while you're at it.

The greater myth is that frankly Claude has done a marvelous job developing a whole array of young/new players, and sometimes tough love over coddling works. Look at Bartowski. People were ready to have him leave for a bag of peanuts. Look at his skating now after they coached him up. He's a different player.

There are tons of problems with the Bruins right now, I can name you a dozen. But Claude Julien is not one of them, nor is his development of young players. This is the same garbage that was being spewed in the Loui thread, and now people are like "oh yeah go Loui, uh...we were always pulling for you buddy". Hamilton keeps turning into one of the best and brightest young D in the league, and it's CLAUDE CAN'T DEVELOP THE KIDS. lol. Reilly Smith was given the reigns to the second line at age 22 and scored well there. Claude hates kids!

most of this is spot on....but to be fair, CJ certainly does have his warts. He has been one of the least adaptable in-game "elite" coaches I recall from recent memory. Also his minutes distribution can be mind boggling at times. But...he has done nothing but win....so....

 

[LouJersey]

Claude's teams have also lost four play-off series they had no business losing if we call a spade a spade here.

He's a fantastic coach. He's also stubborn and slow to adapt in game, or even in series.

 

[BNHL]

lol just the part about "it's looking like Lou knew what he was doing...."

Is more than enough to invalidate the whole post.

LOOK AT THE MAN'S TRACK RECORD. You simply don't make that many playoff and finals appearances in this small a window without being an excellent coach. This year alone we managed to go without 2 of our 3 best players for a huge stretch and somehow managed to stay in the conversation for a playoff spot. Go take Subban and Max Pac off the Habs and let me know how that goes for you. Or Stamkos and Hedman while you're at it.

The greater myth is that frankly Claude has done a marvelous job developing a whole array of young/new players, and sometimes tough love over coddling works. Look at Bartowski. People were ready to have him leave for a bag of peanuts. Look at his skating now after they coached him up. He's a different player.

There are tons of problems with the Bruins right now, I can name you a dozen. But Claude Julien is not one of them, nor is his development of young players. This is the same garbage that was being spewed in the Loui thread, and now people are like "oh yeah go Loui, uh...we were always pulling for you buddy". Hamilton keeps turning into one of the best and brightest young D in the league, and it's CLAUDE CAN'T DEVELOP THE KIDS. lol. Reilly Smith was given the reigns to the second line at age 22 and scored well there. Claude hates kids!

Haven't you heard? The entire management team is clueless and stupid from Claude's assistants right up to JJ. Aren't they the winningest team in hockey during Claude's tenure?

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

Claude's teams have also lost four play-off series they had no business losing if we call a spade a spade here.

He's a fantastic coach. He's also stubborn and slow to adapt in game, or even in series.

Sure. But at some point the players have some responsibility too. Jagr and Seguin probably needed to combine for 3 playoff goals in 2012-2013 and we'd have had another parade. If the margin is that slim, then sometimes sports can be about variance too. That's why we bother playing the games out.

But sometimes, like every coach in the league, Claude makes mistakes. The trick is making less of them than the other guys over a long enough period of time. And that's why they gave him his new deal.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Clode is a good coach, but his stubbornness & inability to adapt & adjust prevents him from being a great coach.

What would a Mike Babcock be able to do with this same Bruin roster?

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

Well for starters, if the bar is Mike Babcock, then sure, we have a conversation.

There are maybe 3 other coaches out there you can toss into that convesation. Perhaps the most sought after coach in all of hockey is most likely not the bench mark you wanna use when asking "hey what if".

What if we had Sid too.


But I'll say this, when Canada chooses Babs as their head coach for the Olympics, who do they have as their assistant? Exactly.

 

[missingchicklet]

Clode is a good coach, but his stubbornness & inability to adapt & adjust prevents him from being a great coach.

What would a Mike Babcock be able to do with this same Bruin roster?

Lose more than Claude is what he would do. What has Babcock done in the playoffs in recent years? Lost to the Bs last year 4-1, lost to the Blackhawks 4-3 the year before, lost to the Preds the year before that, and lost to annual playoff chokers SJ two years straight before that. I like Babcock and think he's a fine coach but hell he hasn't even gone to the Cup finals in recent years.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

 

[EverettMike]

Claude's a really good coach having a ****** season. Oh. The. Humanity.

 

[member 96824]

Why because he's not enamored with everything Bruin 24-7 like yourself ?

Only when they win.

Church mice are louder when they lose of course.

 

[EverettMike]

All of the deep playoff runs reflect well on the coach, but the playoff failures reflect the players.

Also, Chiarelli is a great GM and it isn't his fault when the players he picks are inconsistent and blow playoff series, but he gets credit when they win them.

Adjust opinions accordingly.

 

[Hali33]

Claude's teams have also lost four play-off series they had no business losing if we call a spade a spade here.

He's a fantastic coach. He's also stubborn and slow to adapt in game, or even in series.

Claude's a really good coach having a ****** season. Oh. The. Humanity.

Pretty much.

 

[Latrappe]

Lose more than Claude is what he would do. What has Babcock done in the playoffs in recent years? Lost to the Bs last year 4-1, lost to the Blackhawks 4-3 the year before, lost to the Preds the year before that, and lost to annual playoff chokers SJ two years straight before that. I like Babcock and think he's a fine coach but hell he hasn't even gone to the Cup finals in recent years.

Agreed. Before asking what this "x" coach would do with the same roster, we have ask to ourselves if our actual coach have to horses to compete. I'm a little bit surprise to see some fans overlook the fact that some of our players grossly underachieve right now. You can put a genius behind the bench but if the players always take the wrong decisions on the ice, nothing will happen. There's no problem with our goaltending but we definitely need to solidy our blueline ( Boychuk trade hurt the Bruins more then expected) and add a finisher ( we had to let go Iggy ) upfront. We already had these guys but Chairelli's mismanagement of the cap prevented us to keep them in Boston. To me, Chiarelli need to act on a lot of fronts...

 

[member 96824]

Every asst. Coach in that picture has something in common that Mike Babcock does not.

I'll let you guys figure that one out

 

[Oates2Neely]

Clode struggles to find a way to counter Montreal's speed.

 

[EverettMike]

Every asst. Coach in that picture has something in common that Mike Babcock does not.

I'll let you guys figure that one out

I don't think Babcock has ever been fired as head coach.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Every asst. Coach in that picture has something in common that Mike Babcock does not.

I'll let you guys figure that one out

Receding hairline??

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Claude's teams have also lost four play-off series they had no business losing if we call a spade a spade here.

He's a fantastic coach. He's also stubborn and slow to adapt in game, or even in series.

Hard to adapt and make in game adjustments when you don't have the players capable of adapting, No ?

Blame the GM for that not the coach.

 

[member 96824]

I don't think Babcock has ever been fired as head coach.

Bingo.

Doesnt make them bad head coaches, but goes to show they arent without flaws.