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I think the fact Lavy put Laffy on that rw spot with bread and just left him there is a completely understated thing that happened this year. The stubbornness to see that through has been huge. Laffy has had stability and the building confidence to make mistakes this year and play through them without wondering if he's going to be skating 10 mins the next night with Goodrow on the 4th line. Laffy has just absolutely evolved this year, but the decisions by Lavy to support that haven't been spoken about enough. 3 coaches in 4 professionally years and the yoyo effect on this kid was so detrimental. Very happy for Laffy
I think Lavi has done a great job but to be fair that line stayed together because it produced. KK started the first 10 games or so on the Zib line but was moved because he didn't produce. Thats not a reflection on Lavi. Pretty much all coaches would do the same thing.
 
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I think the fact Lavy put Laffy on that rw spot with bread and just left him there is a completely understated thing that happened this year. The stubbornness to see that through has been huge. Laffy has had stability and the building confidence to make mistakes this year and play through them without wondering if he's going to be skating 10 mins the next night with Goodrow on the 4th line. Laffy has just absolutely evolved this year, but the decisions by Lavy to support that haven't been spoken about enough. 3 coaches in 4 professionally years and the yoyo effect on this kid was so detrimental. Very happy for Laffy

after a below average pre-season for Laf, I recall there was a picture taken of Lav having a one on one meeting on the ice with Laf during practice. Can only speculate as to what was said, but I imagine it was "no you are a great player and you will be playing top line minutes. Just relax". Contextually, it was really at the peak of the doomerism for Laf. There's no doubt to me that Lav was able to settle him down after Gallant completely shit the bed and build his confidence.
 
after a below average pre-season for Laf, I recall there was a picture taken of Lav having a one on one meeting on the ice with Laf during practice. Can only speculate as to what was said, but I imagine it was "no you are a great player and you will be playing top line minutes. Just relax". Contextually, it was really at the peak of the doomerism for Laf. There's no doubt to me that Lav was able to settle him down after Gallant completely shit the bed and build his confidence.

Well Gallant is a known hockey terrorist.
 
I think Lavi has done a great job but to be fair that line stayed together because it produced. KK started the first 10 games or so on the Zib line but was moved because he didn't produce. Thats not a reflection on Lavi. Pretty much all coaches would do the same thing.
Let’s rephrase that sentence.
The line didn’t produce. Not kakko didn’t produce.
And every single person was blaming Mika and Ck.
Kakko was absolutely a force in those early games, but Mika and Ck were worse than they are now.
 
Let’s rephrase that sentence.
The line didn’t produce. Not kakko didn’t produce.
And every single person was blaming Mika and Ck.
Kakko was absolutely a force in those early games, but Mika and Ck were worse than they are now.
Sorry I do not go along with the everyone but KK's fault for KK not producing. First it was Quinns fault, Then Drury. Then Gallant. Now its CK, Mika and Lavi's fault that KK was not producing? KK was not producing while playing with other players before his injury. CK is top 3 in even strength goal numbers this season. While I want CK and Zibs to be better its not helpful to always blame everyone but KK for KK's production. KK has played 55 games. Only around 10 of them were with CK and Zibs. Vesey plays almost exclusively on the 3rd and 4th lines and was out producing KK for much of the season. KK has started producing in recent weeks. He should get credit for that. I'm happy for him and I give him credit for that. At some point KK has to be the primary person responsible for KK. We should not be the parents on the sidelines blaming everyone else on the field because our kid is not the star player we hope he will be.
 
He’s been hot lately

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Sorry I do not go along with the everyone but KK's fault for KK not producing. First it was Quinns fault, Then Drury. Then Gallant. Now its CK, Mika and Lavi's fault that KK was not producing? KK was not producing while playing with other players before his injury. CK is top 3 in even strength goal numbers this season. While I want CK and Zibs to be better its not helpful to always blame everyone but KK for KK's production. KK has played 55 games. Only around 10 of them were with CK and Zibs. Vesey plays almost exclusively on the 3rd and 4th lines and was out producing KK for much of the season. KK has started producing in recent weeks. He should get credit for that. I'm happy for him and I give him credit for that. At some point KK has to be the primary person responsible for KK. We should not be the parents on the sidelines blaming everyone else on the field because our kid is not the star player we hope he will be.
You can not go along with it all you want. But feel free to go back through all the game discussions from early season.
Kakko looked great, Mika and Ck looked terrible.
Could it be they didn’t click? Absolutely.
but kakko was making plays, and setting up Mika and Ck with insane chances that they couldn’t convert.
this isn’t a “let’s blame everyone else for his lack of success “, this is “let’s watch the game and see who muffs a 2-1”
 
You can not go along with it all you want. But feel free to go back through all the game discussions from early season.
Kakko looked great, Mika and Ck looked terrible.
Could it be they didn’t click? Absolutely.
but kakko was making plays, and setting up Mika and Ck with insane chances that they couldn’t convert.
this isn’t a “let’s blame everyone else for his lack of success “, this is “let’s watch the game and see who muffs a 2-1”
KK played the first 9 games with them and maybe 1 or 2 after his injury. 9 games were not his whole season up till the last few weeks nor his 5 seasons. They are now the latest scapegoat? I want KK to succeed as much as anyone but it doesn't do him any good for anyone to always blame others for his production. When does KKs production become about KK? Vesey played much of the season on the 4th line. Did he have it better than KK?
 
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KK played the first 9 games with them and maybe 1 or 2 after his injury. 9 games were not his whole season up till the last few weeks nor his 5 seasons. They are now the latest scapegoat? I want KK to succeed as much as anyone but it doesn't do him any good for anyone to always blame others for his production. When does KKs production become about KK? Vesey played much of the season on the 4th line. Did he have it better than KK?
to answer the question about when does Kakko’s production become solely about him?
When hockey becomes a one on one sport.
There’s a few transcendent talents in the league who irrespective of their linemates will produce no matter what.
Kakko is not that.
We all are celebrating laf’s production. He’s currently a key piece to one of the best lines in hockey. He’s playing with an mvp candidate on the other side.
Kakko has more even strength goals than Mika, and so it seems like even playing 15+ games with one of the worst players in the nhl in bonino, he’s managed to have a half decent season.
 
to answer the question about when does Kakko’s production become solely about him?
When hockey becomes a one on one sport.
There’s a few transcendent talents in the league who irrespective of their linemates will produce no matter what.
Kakko is not that.
We all are celebrating laf’s production. He’s currently a key piece to one of the best lines in hockey. He’s playing with an mvp candidate on the other side.
Kakko has more even strength goals than Mika, and so it seems like even playing 15+ games with one of the worst players in the nhl in bonino, he’s managed to have a half decent season.
If Mikas worst EV goal season (while ignoring everything else) is the only standard then you are right. Laf has played very well. He deserves that credit regardless of line. I do not want to beat a dead horse. I'm happy with KKs recent production. I was not satisfied with his production earlier in the season. If you were and just think its other people's fault that is fine. I can respect your opinion even if I do not agree. 😊
 
If Mikas worst EV goal season (while ignoring everything else) is the only standard then you are right. Laf has played very well. He deserves that credit regardless of line. I do not want to beat a dead horse. I'm happy with KKs recent production. I was not satisfied with his production earlier in the season. If you were and just think it’s other people's fault that is fine. I can respect your opinion even if I do not agree. 😊
I think you’re conflating production and play.
I wasn’t happy with his production, but I was happy with his play. I believe you can play great and not put up points, and sometimes that happens. I also think you can put up points, and not play great.

But I’ll agree to disagree if you’d like.
 
I think Lavi has done a great job but to be fair that line stayed together because it produced. KK started the first 10 games or so on the Zib line but was moved because he didn't produce. Thats not a reflection on Lavi. Pretty much all coaches would do the same thing.
I tend to think that the way the org viewed laffy prior to this season was different than kakko. One guy had shown flashes of being a consistent top 6 player and the other has not.
 
I tend to think that the way the org viewed laffy prior to this season was different than kakko. One guy had shown flashes of being a consistent top 6 player and the other has not.
I thought KK took a step forward last season and Laf took a step backwards last season. This season that kind of reversed.
 
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I thought KK took a step forward last season and Laf took a step backwards last season. This season that kind of reversed.
I saw no step from kakko last year and no sign of the definite skill needed to be a consistent top 6 players. last year I saw a laffy that had flashes of skill but not the fitness or general commitment needed. Laffy has brought it though this year
 
That sounds like a you problem.
Everyone else on this board did
You and they saw steps of kakko as a player or steps of kakko looking like a figure top 6? There is a significant difference. Last year he took steps as a consistent 3rd liners and looked out of place on top lines. He did and still does lack the skill and vision to play with elite players and he can't do anything on the rush at the NHL level. Same this last year too
 
You and they saw steps of kakko as a player or steps of kakko looking like a figure top 6? There is a significant difference. Last year he took steps as a consistent 3rd liners and looked out of place on top lines. He did and still does lack the skill and vision to play with elite players and he can't do anything on the rush at the NHL level. Same this last year too
I saw a 22 year old scoring 40 points at 5v5 with no PP time, mostly getting 3rd line minutes, with very good D and excellent possession, so yes I saw a future top 6 player. I still see it. Unfortunately, the only top six wing open is with Zibs and Kreids where NO ONE flourishes. No one has clicked with them in YEARS.
 
You and they saw steps of kakko as a player or steps of kakko looking like a figure top 6? There is a significant difference. Last year he took steps as a consistent 3rd liners and looked out of place on top lines. He did and still does lack the skill and vision to play with elite players and he can't do anything on the rush at the NHL level. Same this last year too
almost everyone on the board watched kakko's play last year and said at the end of the year that he had taken a large jump, considering that he put up 40 points with almost no pp time, and 15:00ish minutes per game, playing with chytil and Laf.
The entire offseason discussion was on Laf, and should we trade him now before his value tanks even further, but people (myself included) wanted to lock him up long term before he broke out even further in the top 6.
He had almost no opportunities in the top 6 last year. He's had more this year, and while he doesn't look "out of place" his style doesnt match mika and ck, and so it generates some stuff but doesnt look effective. He might be better with Panarin, but no one with any sense is touching that line.
I had no doubt Laf was going to break out if given time this year, assuming Lavi wasn't the idiot GG was.
And guess what, I was right.
I see what kakko does, and see a top 6 winger. I'm just not sure how he fits with the other top 6 players we have.
I dont think he lacks vision or skill, I think he lacks footspeed (no one argues that) but he's also a huge power forward who when he drives to the net can be a monster. He's also got high end hands, and a fantastic understanding of defensive positioning - the amount of turnovers he causes both on the forecheck and in the D zone are from high end understanding of a players next movement, and great hands and leverage.
 
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